(November 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)Chad32 Wrote: [quote pid='1660142' dateline='1511191886']

Most people believe in something, because we're superstitious by nature. But you can't lump everyone who believes in a god or other supernatural force into one group. The individuals of those groups would generally have an issue if you tried to lump judaism, christianity, and islam under the same banner, even if they all do worship the god of Abraham. If you gather up all the believers in each major religion, you'll find that no one religion makes up over half the population of the world. That's the data I'm going with. Not just people who don't believe in any god.

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All Abrahamic religions have the same basic slaved to God ideology running through their DNA.

My ideology is that God is to be slaved to us, not us to him, Just the way Jesus taught when he said that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath.

Jesus also said he came to serve not to be served. We create the Gods and should not stupidly subvert ourselves to them.

That is why Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and not idol worshipers.

You go ahead and try to split them if you want but that major slave part of their ideology is the root of all three religions.

Regards
DL

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(November 20, 2017 at 12:28 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 11:57 am)Chad32 Wrote: [quote pid='1660142' dateline='1511191886']

Most people believe in something, because we're superstitious by nature. But you can't lump everyone who believes in a god or other supernatural force into one group. The individuals of those groups would generally have an issue if you tried to lump judaism, christianity, and islam under the same banner, even if they all do worship the god of Abraham. If you gather up all the believers in each major religion, you'll find that no one religion makes up over half the population of the world. That's the data I'm going with. Not just people who don't believe in any god.

All Abrahamic religions have the same basic slaved to God ideology running through their DNA.

My ideology is that God is to be slaved to us, not us to him, Just the way Jesus taught when he said that the Sabbath was created for man and not man for the Sabbath.

Jesus also said he came to serve not to be served. We create the Gods and should not stupidly subvert ourselves to them.

That is why Gnostic Christians are perpetual seekers and not idol worshipers.

You go ahead and try to split them if you want but that major slave part of their ideology is the root of all three religions.

I will grant that the Jews are more of a question mark on this. Their, --- strive with God, is also interpreted as strive against God.

Regards
DL
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(November 20, 2017 at 11:11 am)Greatest I am Wrote: No.

Do you not recognize how much damage religions have done and continue to do to society?

Should we not fight the supernatural beliefs that are the bedrock of that harm? 

 Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
 
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
 
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
 

 

Has Jesus appeared and told you those things?

(November 20, 2017 at 12:16 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 11:48 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Money back???

Hell, if Yahweh shows his genocidal face near me, I have a bullet with his name on it right here.

Regards
DL

Well and colorfully said.

Thanks for this and the advice.

Regards
DL

Closed for repairs.

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(November 20, 2017 at 12:33 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 11:11 am)Greatest I am Wrote: No.

Do you not recognize how much damage religions have done and continue to do to society?

Should we not fight the supernatural beliefs that are the bedrock of that harm? 

 Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
 
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
 
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
 

 

Has Jesus appeared and told you those things?

This was the post I meant to reply to.  Having read the OP carefully I'd hazard his answer will be along the lines of "no, because I don't believe any batshit crazy, supernatural things."

Those are simply the bits of the bible he finds meaning in.  You just pick different cherries.

(November 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Those are simply the bits of the bible he finds meaning in.  You just pick different cherries.

Difference is (and point I was making with the last post) that I'm willing to discuss whether one position is better supported than another. Finding meaning in parts of the Bible, but then shutting down differing opinions by asking if god has appeared to such person, is intellectually dishonest.

(November 20, 2017 at 12:47 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 12:38 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Those are simply the bits of the bible he finds meaning in.  You just pick different cherries.

Difference is (and point I was making with the last post) that I'm willing to discuss whether one position is better supported than another. Finding meaning in parts of the Bible, but then shutting down differing opinions by asking if god has appeared to such person, is intellectually dishonest.

So you were trying to shut him down by asking Jesus personally told him those things -or- that was your attempt to give us atheists a chance to see how callow such would be?

(November 20, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 11:48 am)Greatest I am Wrote: I agree but there are more than one Jesus that speaks to us through scriptures and I follow the way this one teaches. You will note that the church never quotes this one as they know that he preaches for freedom and not the slavery that Christianity preaches for.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
 
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
 
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesf...r_embedded

Regards
DL

Well that is interesting.  So my next probing question would like to flesh out the nature of the experience you have in mind here where I've bolded:

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

I wonder whether you're expecting something wooey/supernatural or if you interpret it figuratively as alluding to something a zen buddhist might describe as satori.  Or maybe you have something psychological in mind like Jung's integration?

There are no supernatural beliefs in Gnostic Christianity.

Jesus was just 2,000 years ahead of Jung and Freud and their version of Father Complex.

I see Christianity as having corrupted their earlier and brighter thinking.

If you have a look at Michelangelo's creation painting, you will see God sitting in a background or the right hemisphere of a brain.

While at the Vatican you will also note that their largest sculpture is that of the pineal gland which the ancients saw as what would activate the right hemisphere of our brains. The Egyptian eye is also a representation of our right hemisphere.

The Jesus I quoted and his referring to our single eye is obviously saying that any God we can know is within our own minds. There are as many Gods as there are people.

You follow and ideal and are your own master.

That is what a Gnostic Christian does but calls that ideal God.

Atheists are opening what they are calling churches but are not wanting to accept the word God as the ideal which they seek within those churches.

I do not see that as a bright move and if I was an atheist, I would just call God of science or some such thing.

The religious usurped the God word from man and man has to usurp it back to show the religions for the usurpers they are. 

Atheists cannot beat the church system because of our tribal nature but atheists can beat religions at their own game.

The sooner you atheist smarten up and fight the right way for your cause, the better.

Regards
DL

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(November 20, 2017 at 12:33 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 11:11 am)Greatest I am Wrote: No.

Do you not recognize how much damage religions have done and continue to do to society?

Should we not fight the supernatural beliefs that are the bedrock of that harm? 

 Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed into intolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grown themselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoral ways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.
 
Jesus said we would know his people by their works and deeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as his people, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.
 
Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudly continuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation based on morality.
 

 

Has Jesus appeared and told you those things?

Don't be such an idiot.

Regards
DL

(November 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Whateverist Wrote: So you were trying to shut him down by asking Jesus personally told him those things -or- that was your attempt to give us atheists a chance to see how callow such would be?

I was showing his hypocrisy. Maybe you missed this exchange:

AM: I did, with the example that followed. Humans claim rights over lesser beings, but cry foul when a greater being claims rights over themselves.

TGI: That is not so as no greater being, in terms of a God, has ever appeared to claim that right.

(November 20, 2017 at 12:51 pm)Greatest I am Wrote:

(November 20, 2017 at 12:26 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well that is interesting.  So my next probing question would like to flesh out the nature of the experience you have in mind here where I've bolded:

"Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."

I wonder whether you're expecting something wooey/supernatural or if you interpret it figuratively as alluding to something a zen buddhist might describe as satori.  Or maybe you have something psychological in mind like Jung's integration?

There are no supernatural beliefs in Gnostic Christianity.

Jesus was just 2,000 years ahead of Jung and Freud and their version of Father Complex.

I see Christianity as having corrupted their earlier and brighter thinking.

If you have a look at Michelangelo's creation painting, you will see God sitting in a background or the right hemisphere of a brain.

While at the Vatican you will also note that their largest sculpture is that of the pineal gland which the ancients saw as what would activate the right hemisphere of our brains. The Egyptian eye is also a representation of our right hemisphere.

The Jesus I quoted and his referring to our single eye is obviously saying that any God we can know is within our own minds. There are as many Gods as there are people.

You follow and ideal and are your own master.

That is what a Gnostic Christian does but calls that ideal God.

Atheists are opening what they are calling churches but are not wanting to accept the word God as the ideal which they seek within those churches.

I do not see that as a bright move and if I was an atheist, I would just call God of science or some such thing.

The religious usurped the God word from man and man has to usurp it back to show the religions for the usurpers they are. 

Atheists cannot beat the church system because of our tribal nature but atheists can beat religions at their own game.

The sooner you atheist smarten up and fight the right way for your cause, the better.

Regards
DL

Well thanks for the advice but I'm not really fighting anybody here.  I wonder why you've moved the 'battle' from the psychological to the political.  Don't you worry at all that your broad sweeping assumptions about what a "religious usurper" or an "atheist" is might be a little simplistic?

I like it better when you are disclosive about what you think because you're just some guy trying to figure it out, without donning your imperious gnostic christian crown, but to each his own.

Here is a youtube about the brain I think you'd enjoy.  You might already know it.

You know, Greatest, seeing the sorts of things that appeal to you in jesusism, I can't help but think that you might find Havamal even more insightful.  It's a huge list of suggestions to transform your life for the better..with much less supernatural filler and inanity.  

http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/havamal.html