(December 15, 2017 at 6:15 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Life is real, that is is the only thing we agree on. I simply do not assign all this to a sky hero. Just like you'd rightfully scoff at anyone claiming lightening is caused by Thor.

I am sorry someone sold you old mythology and told you that was the key to happiness and goodness now, but that is your baggage. Atheists can do good and be good without mythology. 

And as far as the false desire of eternity, that is not a real thing, that is simply your own evolutionary drive put in comic book mythology form before humans scientifically figured out what drives evolution and evolution itself. 

But, if you merely want to argue "Why wouldn't you want to be forever?"

We can dress that too.

If we can live forever as the claims of religions claim in the form an afterlife. THAT WOULD get boring after a while. But worse than getting boring, is the idea especially with the authoritarian claims of the God of Abraham, if I couldn't feel my own emotions in heaven, and all I felt was joy, then basically my own autonomy is taken from me and my only purpose is to suck one guy's ego. 

But, don't feel bad, the Asian concept of "reincarnation" is just as absurd. If you did bad in a prior life, you come back as a lesser life, if you do good in this life, you gain prosperity in the next. it is simply another superstitious version of a fictional "forever".

OK. But you are allowed to feel whatever you want in heaven. God's angels have disappointments and grief just like we do. Only a fool wears a permanent grin.

Starhunter, go to this thread here, AND READ EVERY SINGLE POST ON EVERY PAGE OF THIS THREAD, then come back here and try to argue with me that I am claiming we are simply machines. Your argument is FUCKING INSULTING.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-47858.html

(December 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 6:10 pm)Starhunter Wrote: Then the thread is right, we are no better than a biological machination.

WILL YOU PLEASE STOP THIS BULLSHIT NONSENSE.........

"This is it" does not equate to lack of emotion or lawlessness or greed. I am sorry someone sold you that bullshit, but that is not true.

"This is it" only means "This is it". It isn't advocating greed or lawlessness or lack of emotions or empathy.

In the scope of 13.8 billion years we don't mean shit.

In the scope of the time between our births to our deaths, YES WE DO MEAN SOMETHING.

It is not our fault someone sold you that a cosmic Santa was required to explain human behaviors, but you bought that, not us.

Sure, we mean something now, without any further ado, but when it's over, this won't have any meaning at all, no matter how much it means anything now.

It doesn't matter how much we trash or cherish the moment...

Is that a logical conclusion if we eliminate the sky god?

The now is all that matters to any individual. The fact that value stops at death is irrelevant .  Death does not matter life does . So no the OP is wrong .

(December 15, 2017 at 6:40 pm)Starhunter Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Brian37 Wrote: WILL YOU PLEASE STOP THIS BULLSHIT NONSENSE.........

"This is it" does not equate to lack of emotion or lawlessness or greed. I am sorry someone sold you that bullshit, but that is not true.

"This is it" only means "This is it". It isn't advocating greed or lawlessness or lack of emotions or empathy.

In the scope of 13.8 billion years we don't mean shit.

In the scope of the time between our births to our deaths, YES WE DO MEAN SOMETHING.

It is not our fault someone sold you that a cosmic Santa was required to explain human behaviors, but you bought that, not us.

Sure, we mean something now, without any further ado, but when it's over, this won't have any meaning at all, no matter how much it means anything now.

It doesn't matter how much we trash or cherish the moment...

Is that a logical conclusion if we eliminate the sky god?

YES, you desire a sky parent, that's it, sorry if it bothers you I don't buy your brand or flavor. But I live fine without such mythology, and I AM MOST CERTAINLY capable of feeling emotions and having empathy for others WITHOUT chalking it up to such fiction.

(December 15, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DNTE, go to this thread here, AND READ EVERY SINGLE POST ON EVERY PAGE OF THIS THREAD, then come back here and try to argue with me that I am claiming we are simply machines. Your argument is FUCKING INSULTING.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-47858.html

But according to certain philosophies and sentiments, it doesn't matter how high or low our feelings go, we are nothing in the whole scheme of time. And it doesn't matter if we are machines or a biological wonder, the sun will outnumber our days, and there will be absolutely no memory of us, and even if we had a hologram of us in the halls of fame, we will not be, nor will we ever be.

(December 15, 2017 at 6:02 pm)Starhunter Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: I do not wish the "gusto" of fantasy delusion. I'm satisfied with reality. Too bad you have to trick yourself the rest of your days.

I don't have life in me by a trick, so why should I expect anything less?

Life is real, so is love, grace, fairness, reward and justice.

If the Source of life offers me more, why make a noose out of the rope let down?

You're right in that the life in you is not a trick but it's also not magic. It is simply biologic life. When the biology stops so shall you. And me, and everyone. 

Life can also be love, grace, fairness, reward and justice. However those attributes do not require a fantasy god. 

Your "Source" is your delusion. That is the trick.

(December 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm)Starhunter Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 6:37 pm)Brian37 Wrote: DNTE, go to this thread here, AND READ EVERY SINGLE POST ON EVERY PAGE OF THIS THREAD, then come back here and try to argue with me that I am claiming we are simply machines. Your argument is FUCKING INSULTING.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-47858.html

But according to certain philosophies and sentiments, it doesn't matter how high or low our feelings go, we are nothing in the whole scheme of time. And it doesn't matter if we are machines or a biological wonder, the sun will outnumber our days, and there will be absolutely no memory of us, and even if we had a hologram of us in the halls of fame, we will not be, nor will we ever be.

Yep, that is it. The sun was around before humans, didn't give a shit about us back then, and it has no capability of giving a shit about us after it explodes and our solar system dies. 

Unfortunately you see that as fatalistic instead of simply valuing the ride while it exists and look for real answers to extend the ride.

I find NOTHING fatalistic about reality, even though it does have bad things in it. I do see a superstitious species that will cling to the past more often than not when it also has the capability of curiosity and logic and reason. Humans perceptions are notoriously flawed, but we are ALSO capable of questioning too.

(December 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm)Starhunter Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 6:14 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Why?

Also, biology doesn't do machinations.

Isn't science trying to emulate that biological machination?

Sorry, I don't chase red herrings. Please acknowledge my question. And look up "machinations".

(December 15, 2017 at 6:55 pm)Cyberman Wrote:

(December 15, 2017 at 6:24 pm)Starhunter Wrote: Isn't science trying to emulate that biological machination?

Sorry, I don't chase red herrings. Please acknowledge my question. And look up "machinations".

Wait, I've seen the movie Red Dawn, I am quite sure communists fish too. There was a joke in there somewhere. I didn't say it was good, but it was free so.