Not to mention they are not pro Life because their policies will lead to more death .

(December 23, 2017 at 8:38 pm)Joods Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 8:04 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: If she could make it without sperm than he has no say.
So if I impregnate 5 woman just so that i could feel the full pleasure and make them have an abortion than I'm taking responsability

bold mine.

You can't force a woman to have an abortion, if she doesn't want to. You don't want kids? Either get a vasectomy, use protection or keep your fucking zipper up. Your attempts at making a woman have an abortion makes you an asshole and nothing else. The fact that you think this way makes you a misogynist and a piece of shit.

I was making the point of a previous post, but if you just want to be dumb and read between the lines go ahead. If you think a woman can't be pressured to have an abortion , you are living in a bubble. Even if you don't force her to have an abortion you still force her into a situation to make a choice wich is still imoral.

(December 23, 2017 at 7:55 pm)A Theist Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 1:22 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I believe all human beings have the right to be born and no one has the right to arbitrarily take the life of another human being.

Odd that these pro abortionists will support the horrific abortion procedure of dismembering a child in the womb but demand mercy for the most cold blooded of murderers on death row. Even death row killers face a more merciful end than the unborn facing abortion...

God, that’s horrible. 😞.  I’m pro-choice, but twenty weeks is too late.  I support bans on twenty week abortions unless there is an immediate danger to mother and/or baby.  I mean, where do we/should we draw the line?  And, why does this guy sound so proud of him self?!

Horrific. Abhorrent. My baby was still born at 23 weeks.

Oh well. Just a "parasitic tissue" , as some people here like to call them.

(December 24, 2017 at 8:51 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just a parasitic tissue

We could care less what the right wing want to call it. It still remains that if you are not part of that decision making, between the female and the doctor, you DONT have a say. The people who want to ban it 100% of the time are NOT willing to adopt them, or pay for any medical conditions after birth, nor do they care about the quality of life of the female or baby after birth.

WE are tired of the slur that we throw a party of abortions as if they were a door prize. We want less abortions but we don't agree that pushing females back to allies and coat hangers is the way to do it. 

I GAVE everyone REAL solutions in my prior post. BETTER WAGES for workers so they can be at home to monitor boys and girls while they grow up, and have good communications with their schools too. Teach financial economics and family planning IN SCHOOL. TEACH sex education, including risk of disease. 

We are not monsters or murderers and that is the shit we get tired of being accused of.

(December 24, 2017 at 6:12 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(December 23, 2017 at 7:55 pm)A Theist Wrote: Odd that these pro abortionists will support the horrific abortion procedure of dismembering a child in the womb but demand mercy for the most cold blooded of murderers on death row. Even death row killers face a more merciful end than the unborn facing abortion...

God, that’s horrible. 😞.  I’m pro-choice, but twenty weeks is too late.  I support bans on twenty week abortions unless there is an immediate danger to mother and/or baby.  I mean, where do we/should we draw the line?  And, why does this guy sound so proud of him self?!

A) Twenty weeks is not too late. The foetus is not viable outside the womb. That viability figure hasn't budged since the UK set 24 weeks as the limit in the 60s. B) The video is from a fundie anti-abortion group well known and notorious for doctoring and releasing faked videos. This is the group after all which made and released the lying videos accusing PP of selling tissues of aborted foetuses.

(December 24, 2017 at 9:03 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 8:51 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just a parasitic tissue

We could care less what the right wing want to call it. It still remains that if you are not part of that decision making, between the female and the doctor, you DONT have a say. The people who want to ban it 100% of the time are NOT willing to adopt them, or pay for any medical conditions after birth, nor do they care about the quality of life of the female or baby after birth.

Then perhaps both sides are in the wrong.

"I am pro life. That means that I’m also pro social justice.

That means that I am not only for the dignity of the human being from the moment of conception, but also for the dignity of the human being until the natural end of life. For life does not end with birth. A person who is truly pro life is pro all life, pro every stage of life, pro every stage of life for every person. For all human life is sacred, because it is created by God.

That means that I support anything that helps a person live a full, healthy and satisfying life, in every part of the world. So I am for care for the poor, for a living wage, for affordable health care, for adequate housing, for a humane work environment, for equal pay for women, for generous child care, for the support of the aged and the infirm.

That means I support caring for the marginalized among us: the refugee, the immigrant, the displaced person, the homeless, the unemployed, the person with disabilities, the single mother, women who are abused, minorities of every kind who are persecuted, and all those who feel left out, mocked, lonely, ignored or frightened.

That means that I am against torture, because it is an affront to human dignity. I am against the death penalty, the most serious affront to an adult life. I am against abuse and mistreatment in prisons. I am against war as a way to solve problems.

That means I respect the lives of all creatures, and am therefore for the care of the world in which we live, for the environment in the broadest sense.

That means I am pro peace, pro justice and pro reconciliation.

The longer I am a Jesuit, the longer I am a priest, the longer I live, and the more I pray and listen and observe, the more convinced I am of the sanctity and beauty of life.

So, yes, I am pro life. Pro all life. I hope you are too."

-Father James Martin

I can't further participate in this thread.

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(December 24, 2017 at 9:13 am)Wololo Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 6:12 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: God, that’s horrible. 😞.  I’m pro-choice, but twenty weeks is too late.  I support bans on twenty week abortions unless there is an immediate danger to mother and/or baby.  I mean, where do we/should we draw the line?  And, why does this guy sound so proud of him self?!

A) Twenty weeks is not too late. The foetus is not viable outside the womb. That viability figure hasn't budged since the UK set 24 weeks as the limit in the 60s. B) The video is from a fundie anti-abortion group well known and notorious for doctoring and releasing faked videos. This is the group after all which made and released the lying videos accusing PP of selling tissues of aborted foetuses.

Tell yourself that's not how a 20 week baby is aborted, if it makes you feel better about supporting it. I went to nursing school. That's how it's done.

Do you think you would still be against abortion if you didn't believe in the soul though? Without the soul, life is not automatically sacred. There are no memories or life experience for the fetus, so the way we look at it, the fetus or "baby" has nothing to lose, really. There's no good reason you should expect us to care about this "baby" losing it's life, because we don't believe a soul is present to make the life sacred.

If anyone was aborted, they would have had no consciousness to be aware that they had been aborted. The argument "I'm glad I was not aborted" is merely an illogical, emotional one.

I believe if the parent(s) decide to abort an unwanted parasite due to knowledge of its medical viability, it should be solely their choice.

I'm glad I wasn't murdered in my sleep last night

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Can't deal with bad arguments. Not for this. But there is no good argument so I'm out.