(December 27, 2017 at 9:44 am)alpha male Wrote: The fact that many teenagers are ungrateful and self-centered doesn't excuse it or mean it should be encouraged.

Do you think accepting your unquestioned beliefs is a reasonable expectation for a grateful teenager?

(December 27, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 8:50 am)alpha male Wrote: Every time I hear you talk about your relatively good family life, but instead of being thankful for that you whine because they're Christians, I wanna scream STFU. Go figure.

It's in human nature not wanting to get positive things of our chests. I'm grateful for the positive parts, I never said that there aren't any, I just want to get rid of frustration. And I am forced to hear things about christianity, you're not forced to read my posts, you choosed to do so.

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(December 27, 2017 at 9:58 am)Brian37 Wrote: NO, just because your parents believe one thing, does not mean you as a kid are obligated to blindly swallow that religion. Kids are not clay that you mold and bake in an oven. You teach kids HOW to think, not what to think.

Die has every damned RIGHT to have their own thoughts. Now, I do not see any posts in this thread telling die to disrupt the house, or drop out of school, NOBODY is saying that. Die SHOULD stay out of trouble, but that DOES NOT mean Die should live in a mental prison and never talk to anyone. 

This is the same CRAP LGBT had to go through for far too long. It is easier for adults to say what they want, but when you have no choice but to live under a roof knowing you cant legally leave, and those under that roof, could condemn you for not buying the same thing, EVEN kick you out on the street. That is EVEN the same fear X-Muslims have knowing they still have to pretend they believe even though they dont. 

We are not going to let you bully or blackmail Die in this thread.

Die should stay in school, get the best grades they can, save their money, and when they get out on their own, then they don't have to worry about what their parents may or may not do. BUT as long as they have to live under a roof like that, they need someone to vent to, WE WILL provide that to them.

Thank you very much for your support. Though I don't know if Alpha Male is really bullying me, maybe they just disagree and say their opinion out loud.

You just said you get forced to listen to religious stuff, and living under a roof with religious people having to fear negative reactions, is bad enough. He is trying to bully you by calling you ungrateful. I see you are handling yourself very well though. I think it frightens theists that they might be wrong, and that is why he is really saying all this. 

Again Die, spend enough time on all sorts of atheist websites even ones on FB and Twitter, you will find out lots of teens have to put up with what you do some even worse, to the point of physical abuse and or getting kicked out on the street.

(December 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You just said you get forced to listen to religious stuff, and living under a roof with religious people having to fear negative reactions, is bad enough. He is trying to bully you by calling you ungrateful. I see you are handling yourself very well though. I think it frightens theists that they might be wrong, and that is why he is really saying all this. 

Again Die, spend enough time on all sorts of atheist websites even ones on FB and Twitter, you will find out lots of teens have to put up with what you do some even worse, to the point of physical abuse and or getting kicked out on the street.

Thank you very much for your support! 

(December 27, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 9:44 am)alpha male Wrote: The fact that many teenagers are ungrateful and self-centered doesn't excuse it or mean it should be encouraged.

Do you think accepting your unquestioned beliefs is a reasonable expectation for a grateful teenager?

No...why do you ask?

(December 27, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You just said you get forced to listen to religious stuff, and living under a roof with religious people having to fear negative reactions, is bad enough. He is trying to bully you by calling you ungrateful. I see you are handling yourself very well though. I think it frightens theists that they might be wrong, and that is why he is really saying all this. 

Again Die, spend enough time on all sorts of atheist websites even ones on FB and Twitter, you will find out lots of teens have to put up with what you do some even worse, to the point of physical abuse and or getting kicked out on the street.

Thank you very much for your support! 

Also a little advice, even outside this issue. If you ever feel stumped by a theist, OF ANY RELIGION, never simply throw up your hands and say, "Crap they got me, better convert", pass their arguments buy us, we will happy to tear their logic apart.

And if you need any reading suggestions we have lots. Theists cant stand a well armed atheist, we are impossible to fool.

(December 27, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: And I am forced to hear things about christianity

How so? I left home at 17 due to disagreements with my parents (not religion).

(December 27, 2017 at 1:32 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: And I am forced to hear things about christianity

How so? I left home at 17 due to disagreements with my parents (not religion).

So, who the fuck are you to decide for Die how  Die should live their life? You are tone deaf, just because you did something, doesn't mean everyone is like you.

(December 27, 2017 at 1:30 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Do you think accepting your unquestioned beliefs is a reasonable expectation for a grateful teenager?

No...why do you ask?

I assumed your characterization of teenagers as ungrateful had to do with their rejection of their parents religious beliefs.  Happy for you if you don't really think that.

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(December 27, 2017 at 1:32 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(December 27, 2017 at 1:02 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: And I am forced to hear things about christianity

How so? I left home at 17 due to disagreements with my parents (not religion).

So you advocate that young people unable to at least fake religious belief take their chances on the street?  Just man up and bootstrap themselves into a successful life.  That the plan?

(December 27, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Whateverist Wrote: I assumed your characterization of teenagers as ungrateful had to do with their rejection of their parents religious beliefs.  Happy for you if you don't really think that.

I'm characterizing him as ungrateful because he seems to have pretty good parents, but instead of being grateful for them, he whines about their moderate religious beliefs.

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(December 27, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Whateverist Wrote: So you advocate that young people unable to at least fake religious belief

Where do you get unable? He's been able to do it so far.

Quote:take their chances on the street?  Just man up and bootstrap themselves into a successful life.  That the plan?

No, I advocate that they appreciate all the good their parents do for them and put this issue on the back burner until they're able to support themselves.

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(December 27, 2017 at 1:36 pm)Brian37 Wrote: So, who the fuck are you to decide for Die how  Die should live their life? You are tone deaf, just because you did something, doesn't mean everyone is like you.

Who the fuck is Die to decide how his parents should run their own household?

Well that isn't so unreasonable. It isn't as though they are deciding never to have an honest relationship with a parent, they're just postponing doing so until they can afford the fallout. I advocate the same.