(December 30, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Why are you apologising to the head of a hate group? Are you being ironic?

Didn't read his wikipedia page.
Kicking myself for trusting a believer in the Hadith.

(December 30, 2017 at 4:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 30, 2017 at 2:33 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Why are you apologising to the head of a hate group? Are you being ironic?

Didn't read his wikipedia page.
Kicking myself for trusting a believer in the Hadith.

So close... I guess your holy blanket, remains intact. So much fear, when disbelief removes 1 major excuse for atrocity.

Without religion, what would you be fighting about?

(December 30, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Well Atlass33 most humans are fooled at birth long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. I was sold my religion as a kid too. I look back at it and hate the fact I was sold that crap. But to be fair, that is most of our species worldwide. The sell of a religion to a kid is an unfortunate majority. I don't see that behavior in our species ending any time soon.

If you want to hate religious violence and sell of bigotry then be fair and equal and I would agree with that. But our species flawed perceptions cant be wiped out by force. I will still take a liberal theist who is non violent over any conservative bigot of any religion,   and those assholes exist in every religion.

Point is I was fooled as a kid too. Someone lied to me too and told me a magic man would save me. But I don't hate Catholic Lady even if I don't agree that her god exists.

Once we grow a little we take our freedom to have our own thoughts. So the good thing is that the product sold has a very limited time. The people who grow up; and keep the same mentality given to them by their parents or society; are actually wanting this.

You can't expect a bigot to be fair. If they were fair; they wouldn't be bigots in the first place.

(December 30, 2017 at 4:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 30, 2017 at 4:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Well Atlass33 most humans are fooled at birth long before they can formulate adult critical thinking skills. I was sold my religion as a kid too. I look back at it and hate the fact I was sold that crap. But to be fair, that is most of our species worldwide. The sell of a religion to a kid is an unfortunate majority. I don't see that behavior in our species ending any time soon.

If you want to hate religious violence and sell of bigotry then be fair and equal and I would agree with that. But our species flawed perceptions cant be wiped out by force. I will still take a liberal theist who is non violent over any conservative bigot of any religion,   and those assholes exist in every religion.

Point is I was fooled as a kid too. Someone lied to me too and told me a magic man would save me. But I don't hate Catholic Lady even if I don't agree that her god exists.

Once we grow a little we take our freedom to have our own thoughts. So the good thing is that the product sold has a very limited time. The people who grow up; and keep the same mentality given to them by their parents or society; are actually wanting this.

You can't expect a bigot to be fair. If they were fair; they wouldn't be bigots in the first place.

Well again, just like Catholic Lady, I am happy that neither of you want me dead. BUT I would say to both of you, your respective bigoted conservatives are STILL drawing their sense of morality from the same respective holy books. You cant use the Hadiths as a dodge, they still fall under the umbrella Koran. Just like Baptists and Catholics still have the same heros in God and Jesus. Just like some right wing Jews want a Talmud based constitution, while other Jews see themselves as secular and liberal.

Maybe the better option is that humans merely want a god to be real?

Look Atlass, if you go to your death still believing, but you are a peace loving non violent person, I can live with that. I'd only hope you consider you got it wrong. I'd say the same to Catholic Lady too. But yea, outside that, I hate bigots too, especially those who use ANY holy book to justify violence to others.

(December 30, 2017 at 4:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Once we grow a little we take our freedom to have our own thoughts.

Do you really? You are the one constantly citing a book, with all the suras ahdiths and other assorted bullshit. Are your thoughts really your own?

(December 30, 2017 at 4:46 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(December 30, 2017 at 4:39 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Once we grow a little we take our freedom to have our own thoughts.

Do you really? You are the one constantly citing a book, with all the suras ahdiths and other assorted bullshit. Are your thoughts really your own?

No, but from what I see at least when he repeats what an old book says, he is trying to lead people away from violence, not to it. That is better than the opposite.

Quote:but he does have balls!

Balls are no substitute for brains.

(December 30, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How do you feel that the auditorium that the debate took place in was being segregated by sex, until the person with real morals, Lawrence Krauss refused to take part until it was desegregated?

How do you feel about the fact that Tzortzis lied outright several times about physics, in order to support his mythology? Seriously, while debating a physicist, he lied about the findings of physics! He may be a dishonest moron, but he does have balls!

segregation is an opinion known in the Sunni sect; maybe the Shiite too; and was made viral by the trillions of Saudi Arabia, and the extreme results of Hadith execution and the opinions of ancient Imams (mainly from Saudi Wahhabi lines of thought).

It's very ironic that Mekka, the holy city of Islam, its grand mosque witness daily segregation:





Muslim men and women PRAY ANYWHERE, women are obligated not wear niqab too during Haj and Umra.
So it looks like Sunnies and Shiites know better than God in this regard. Because how is it not legal for men and women to pray together outside the grand mosque, but it's legal inside it?

Moreover :



The general Muslim population got so angry because of this picture. It reminds me again, why I should reconsider my apology

That's a single reason why I reconsidered my apology.

(December 30, 2017 at 5:08 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(December 30, 2017 at 4:24 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: How do you feel that the auditorium that the debate took place in was being segregated by sex, until the person with real morals, Lawrence Krauss refused to take part until it was desegregated?

How do you feel about the fact that Tzortzis lied outright several times about physics, in order to support his mythology? Seriously, while debating a physicist, he lied about the findings of physics! He may be a dishonest moron, but he does have balls!

segregation is an opinion known in the Sunni sect; maybe the Shiite too; and was made viral by the trillions of Saudi Arabia, and the extreme results of Hadith execution and the opinions of ancient Imams (mainly from Saudi Wahhabi lines of thought).

It's very ironic that Mekka, the holy city of Islam, its grand mosque witness daily segregation:





Muslim men and women PRAY ANYWHERE, women are obligated not wear niqab too during Haj and Umra.
So it looks like Sunnies and Shiites know better than God in this regard.

That's a single reason why I reconsidered my apology.

Well! Tzortis and Naik will be very upset with your reconsideration.