(January 4, 2018 at 11:45 am)Khemikal Wrote: "Seems to" being the operative portion.  Shell nailed it a few pages back.  This is all really uncomplicated to anyone who isn't a bastard.

Yeah, I didn't have to be told stealing is wrong either.

(January 4, 2018 at 12:44 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I feel like the interpretation of breasts as "sex" is entirely based on societal views than anything based in facts though. In the actual act of sex, breasts are irrelevant to the process. In some cultures, notably tribal ones, women go around with exposed breasts in the same way that men do (with exposed chests). I know New York City allow women to go topless. Societal attitudes are gradually changing, coaxed on by sex positive feminists and breastfeeding mothers (who IMO should be able to breastfeed wherever, whenever, even if we do decide "topless women are not ok").

So I feel like the comparison may be invalid for that reason. I'm interested to know why Aoi thinks women should not be allowed to go topless, whether there's a reason I've missed that isn't based on social views.

My thoughts exactly.

(January 4, 2018 at 12:42 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 10:52 am)Mermaid Wrote: Here is a really good example of the issues we have with sexual assault in our culture. 
It was her fault. Check. 
He was the real victim. Check.
She was asking for it. Check. 
He was just being a guy. Check. 
"___ like a girl". Bonus check. 
Devaluing an assault victim based on her sex appeal. Check.
She was overreacting. Check.

Where did you find any of those examples in my post.

I checked, buddy. Every one of them is in there. It might be a useful exercise for you to go back and try to find them yourself.

(January 4, 2018 at 11:50 am)Aroura Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 11:29 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: If a girl high on ecstasy came up and grabbed a guy's dick at a music festival, and his reaction was to beat the shit out of her, nobody would be going "oh he's so brave.."

Of course I'm being facetious.  The genders are different and the level of potential violence between them is different and the level of sexual violence men can inflict on women compared to vice versa is different.

She didn't "beat the shit out of" him, she basically whacked him a few times.

If a girl grabbed a guys penis, I'd totally support a defensive or retaliatory slap or smack, as that is about the same level this is at.

If he beat the shit out of her, then you are comparing apples and oranges anyway.  Facetious or not.

Fair enough, but I'd still wager it wouldn't have the same reaction. There is no way people would be okay with it, nor praise him. And that's fine.

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(January 4, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 12:44 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I feel like the interpretation of breasts as "sex" is entirely based on societal views than anything based in facts though. In the actual act of sex, breasts are irrelevant to the process. In some cultures, notably tribal ones, women go around with exposed breasts in the same way that men do (with exposed chests). I know New York City allow women to go topless. Societal attitudes are gradually changing, coaxed on by sex positive feminists and breastfeeding mothers (who IMO should be able to breastfeed wherever, whenever, even if we do decide "topless women are not ok").

So I feel like the comparison may be invalid for that reason. I'm interested to know why Aoi thinks women should not be allowed to go topless, whether there's a reason I've missed that isn't based on social views.

My thoughts exactly.

I don't know. There are women who can get off when someone stimulates their nipples enough. Breasts are part of sex.

(January 4, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 12:42 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Where did you find any of those examples in my post.

I checked, buddy. Every one of them is in there. It might be a useful exercise for you to go back and try to find them yourself.

Maybe if you misinterpret everything thats written there.

I said technically shed be at fault legally because of her physically assaulting the man and itwasnt in defence or for the purposes of detaining the man for the police.

That doesnt mean its her fault for being sexually assaulted. Her being at fault legally has nothing to do with the sexual assault.

I said she punches like a girl which is fair enough i did say that because she does.

I said her tits look bad to me but not that it should take anything away from the sexual assault.

Also the man being the victim wasnt there at all. Relating to the sexual asaualt she was the victim. He was the victim of the physical assault afterwards but thats just legally how it would work. You cant punch someone in the face because theyve commited a crime unless its to prevent that crime or to detain someone.

(January 4, 2018 at 1:04 pm)paulpablo Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: I checked, buddy. Every one of them is in there. It might be a useful exercise for you to go back and try to find them yourself.

Maybe if you misinterpret everything thats written there.

I said technically shed be at fault legally because of her physically assaulting the man and itwasnt in defence or for the purposes of detaining the man for the police.

That doesnt mean its her fault for being sexually assaulted. Her being at fault legally has nothing to do with the sexual assault.

I said she punches like a girl which is fair enough i did say that because she does.

I said her tits look bad to me but not that it should take anything away from the sexual assault.

No, no misinterpretation is needed. You check all the boxes, but because it's your opinion, you are unable to step outside yourself and see it from another perspective. Hardly surprising ... 'tis the human condition, to be wrapped up in one's own coccoon.

(January 4, 2018 at 1:07 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 1:04 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Maybe if you misinterpret everything thats written there.

I said technically shed be at fault legally because of her physically assaulting the man and itwasnt in defence or for the purposes of detaining the man for the police.

That doesnt mean its her fault for being sexually assaulted. Her being at fault legally has nothing to do with the sexual assault.

I said she punches like a girl which is fair enough i did say that because she does.

I said her tits look bad to me but not that it should take anything away from the sexual assault.

No, no misinterpretation is needed. You check all the boxes, but because it's your opinion, you are unable to step outside yourself and see it from another perspective. Hardly surprising ... 'tis the human condition, to be wrapped up in one's own coccoon.

No i didnt say most of the things mentioned there, in some cases im actually saying the exact opposite.

The sexual assault was the mans fault, she was the victim of the sexual asaault. And neither of those things contradict what was in the original thing i posted

(January 4, 2018 at 12:58 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 11:50 am)Aroura Wrote: She didn't "beat the shit out of" him, she basically whacked him a few times.

If a girl grabbed a guys penis, I'd totally support a defensive or retaliatory slap or smack, as that is about the same level this is at.

If he beat the shit out of her, then you are comparing apples and oranges anyway.  Facetious or not.

Fair enough,  but I'd still wager it wouldn't have the same reaction.  There is no way people would be okay with it, nor praise him. And that's fine.

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(January 4, 2018 at 12:52 pm)Mermaid Wrote: My thoughts exactly.

I don't know. There are women who can get off when someone stimulates their nipples enough.  Breasts are part of sex.

No doubt. There are some women who get off from having their neck bitten, too. Or their feet or the backs of their knees.

(January 4, 2018 at 11:10 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: If the genders were reversed in this story, people would be having a different reaction.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I'm totally cool with a guy decking a stranger who runs up and grabs his dick.

(January 4, 2018 at 1:45 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(January 4, 2018 at 11:10 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: If the genders were reversed in this story, people would be having a different reaction.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. I'm totally cool with a guy decking a stranger who runs up and grabs his dick.

Even if it were a small woman?