Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
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Admitting You're a Sinner
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 Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"  RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 18, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2018 at 2:09 pm by SteveII.)
I see a lot of unsupported definitions going on, but very little in the way of actual citations or anything silly like that.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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January 18, 2018 at 2:18 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm by DLJ.)
(January 18, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Isn't new atheism just anti theism? Nope. New Atheism is just a journalistic term for a coincidence of thought / a meme. Probably fueled by publishers. Around 10 years back, there was a push-back against the privileged position held by belief-peddlers triggered perhaps by the shock of 9/11 and its aftermath and the recognition that not all religions had become domesticated. What it did do was enable a lot of 'old' atheists to find a voice. Not all of those voices were anti-theism. 
The PURPOSE of life is to replicate our DNA ................. (from Darwin)
The MEANING of life is the experience of living ... (from Frank Herbert) The VALUE of life is the legacy we leave behind ..... (from observation) RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 18, 2018 at 2:20 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2018 at 2:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
This is really easy. New atheism is a position that states that religious belief has no place in positions of authority or management of public interest. Yes, it suggests that there is a negative ethical component to indoctrinating your children...but it;s content to say:
Keep god out of schools, education, and politics. Whereas I..as an antitheist, think that you are terrible people for even believing...even if you do manage to keep it out of school, education, and politics.....and I know you -can't- keep it out of school, education, and politics. Basically, New Atheists are a bunch of starry eyed optimists with unrealistic expectations of you and your various afflictions. 
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 (January 18, 2018 at 2:17 pm)Cyberman Wrote: I see a lot of unsupported definitions going on, but very little in the way of actual citations or anything silly like that. His definition seems consistent with what I have seen used. When asked about the term on History for Atheists he describes it as the following “anti-theistic atheist activist” and also notes Quote:I tend to find that it is the anti-theistic activists who are most likely to accept anti-religious pseudo history uncritically, to use it in their arguments and to reject any correction of it as “apologism” or “revisionism”. However what would seem important in the immediate context would be what Steve is referring to in this manner.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther RE: Admitting You're a Sinner
January 18, 2018 at 2:27 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2018 at 2:29 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Guys guys guys, stop lumping me in with these plebes and/or bismirching their good natures by association with my position.
See, most of them don't have any issue with you -having- god beliefs. If we put all of AF in a small closet, and asked them to raise hands for those who have no issue with peoiple -having- beliefs...you probably wouldn;t be able to see anyone who;s hand weren't raised. They may not even think that some particular god belief x y or z is a "bad" thing on any level. This is always and always will be the difference between atheism and anti-thesim. Old or new. The difference between "atheistic" this or that's...and "anti-theistic" this or that's.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
I don't particularly care about labels, but I am 49 and have been an atheist my whole life, so not New in any way. Although I was raised Jewish, but never really believed to the best of my recollection.
My atheism is just disbelief. My agnosticism is just that I don't claim to know. My ideology is not defined by either, but more akin to humanism, atheist in nature. I accept religious humanists also exist, I know many here who are CofE who would be comfortable with that label. My 'scientism' is that it it is the most consistent and verifiable way to approach reality; hard solipsism excluded.
I am an atheist, yet I don't have an ideology. I'm fairly sure I'm not unique.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (January 18, 2018 at 1:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:(January 18, 2018 at 1:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Isn't new atheism just anti theism? It just sounded like it based on what he was describing, in terms of being actually against religion rather than simply lacking belief in it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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