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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 12:27 am
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Yeah..because that's completely beyond the pale and no religious person ever used such a contention to deny icky people goods or services..or anything at all untoward, heavens no.......
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 12:48 am
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Quote:From what I understand, the intention of this is to not force doctors to perform procedures they have a moral objection to, such as abortion. I highly doubt this will turn into doctors legitimately being allowed to refuse to treat a patient based on the patient's orientation/faith/politics..
Doctors have no such right . You choose to be doctor you will perform your job or lose it . What's next we start allowing scientologist doctors to refuse to do blood transfers or organ transplants . Do muslim doctors get to refuse to treat blind people . And their is nothing to stop doctors from doing just this . And mark my words they will .
This border line reminds me of that Kim Davis fool
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 12:56 am
Well, on the plus side, I'm sure there are plenty of atheist doctors who would be more than happy to take money from the pockets of the religious doctors since they wanna cut their nose off to spite their faces. Who knows... the first atheist hospital might come about because of this decision.
Heck... maybe the first hospital dedicated to the LGBT community might happen.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:16 am
(January 19, 2018 at 12:24 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: From what I understand, the intention of this is to not force doctors to perform procedures they have a moral objection to, such as abortion. I highly doubt this will turn into doctors legitimately being allowed to refuse to treat a patient based on the patient's orientation/faith/politics..
Doctors already have that freedom. Only specific doctors perform abortions. All a doctor has to do is not do that.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:24 am
I'll say that if I ever meet a doctor who refuses to operate on a gay patient, they're going to need a surgeon themselves.
"Tradition" is just a word people use to make themselves feel better about being an asshole.
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:26 am
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They probably already do, something is clearly eating their brain and needs to be excised from their skull. 
(January 19, 2018 at 1:16 am)Shell B Wrote: Doctors already have that freedom. Only specific doctors perform abortions. All a doctor has to do is not do that. Stop using your headmeat, fundy internal logic goes like this-
"I definitely -don't- want to do x, because that would make god rageface at me"
Directly puts themselves in a position where they will be expected to do x
"There needs to be a law protecting my religious freedom from the consequences of my decisions! Help, help, I'm being oppressed!"
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:41 am
Cath’s not a fundy. 💩
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:44 am
I'm pretty sure the trump admin didn't consult her for this one, so I don't know why that would be relevant?
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:49 am
(January 19, 2018 at 12:48 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:From what I understand, the intention of this is to not force doctors to perform procedures they have a moral objection to, such as abortion. I highly doubt this will turn into doctors legitimately being allowed to refuse to treat a patient based on the patient's orientation/faith/politics..
Doctors have no such right . You choose to be doctor you will perform your job or lose it . What's next we start allowing scientologist doctors to refuse to do blood transfers or organ transplants . Do muslim doctors get to refuse to treat blind people . And their is nothing to stop doctors from doing just this . And mark my words they will .
This border line reminds me of that Kim Davis fool
This, precisely.
Years ago as an intern - yes, even I was one of those icky things once - working night shift in the A&E, the police brought in a guy for treatment who had just beaten and sexually assaulted a young woman.
I had moral objections about treating him. Do you know what I did?
I kept my objections to myself and did my job.
I discovered later that he had apparently "resisted arrest" several times, which was why he needed treatment.
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni:
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RE: Trump administration announces conscience and religious freedom HHS Division
January 19, 2018 at 1:52 am
I don't think this new law means doctors will be allowed to not treat specific patients. Neither do I think such a thing will ever be accepted.
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