(January 21, 2018 at 3:07 am)Banned Wrote:

(January 20, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: That's a good counter.  I've never seen it before in response to that verse.

No, that's not a good come back, it's a low IQ cheap shot. The Bible names who is a fool, and Romans does not pass that judgment to men.

I don't know that I would call it a cheap shot.  However it doesn't surprise me, that a hyper-literal very concrete thinking interpretation was made where the spirit is lost but the letter is followed. 

It's not that difficult, but I always wonder how much of this type of thing is on purpose (deceitful) and how much is lack of thinking (foolishness)?

Strange, I have -precisely- the same thoughts about hyper literal interpretations of magic book, where people think some "god" created stuff and then made a shitlist.

(January 21, 2018 at 11:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Strange, I have -precisely- the same thoughts about hyper literal interpretations of magic book, where people think some "god" created stuff and then made a shitlist.

God thinking to himself: 

Okay gonna want some light, gimme trees, birds - I've always liked winged stuff .. that's looking pretty good.  Okay, now we need some drama so lets have some pestilence, maybe some childhood leukemia .. oh, and alcoholism.  Oh hell, lets put someone in charge of the dark stuff.  That's better.  Perfect!

John C Reilly as god- Pillow Talking, Lil D.
"This shit is boring, it need more shit.  Imma put dinosaurs on that bitch."
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"Dinosaurs are just blah, Imma cook up some blondes."

(January 22, 2018 at 12:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: John C Reilly as god-  Pillow Talking, Lil D.
"This shit is boring, it need more shit.  Imma put dinosaurs on that bitch."
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"Dinosaurs are just blah, Imma cook up some blondes."

John C Reilly as god is utopia.  Steve Brule is my hero.

(January 8, 2018 at 2:57 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: What's up with this?

It's the first step in the ABCs of becoming a Christian (Admit, Believe, Confess) but I always saw it as a rather unhealthy way to reflect upon one's misdeeds. Personally, I think something like "I made a mistake" or "That was terrible of me to do" is a much more beneficial as it is directed toward the action itself. It doesn't make the assumption: I did a bad thing, therefore I'm a bad person. 

What does it really even mean? 

Admit that I'm capable of moral transgressions? Sure, I'll admit that. But that doesn't mean I am anything, does it? 

Does it mean admit that I've commited moral transgressions in the past? I'll admit that too. And while you're at it, I'll probably fail in my moral responsibilities in the future too. I admit it.


Theists: Have I admitted in this post that I'm a sinner? Or is there more to it than that? If so, what's the difference?

Atheists: What do you make of all this "admit you're a sinner" stuff? What do you think motivates it? Is it a good, bad, or ugly way to reflect on moral transgressions?

Sin is a silly word! Hebrew: chattah and Greek: hamartia mean: the errant flight of an arrow flung from a bow without any concern for the harm it may cause self or others. Figuratively mean: wrong way, off course, amiss, miss, etc. These words are about where we are going and not the act. IOW's, go the wrong way and you will probably do something stupid.

There is absolutely no list of “sins” in the entire Bible! Being off your mark in Scripture is; whatever off-target lifestyle is not of faith(noun, the substance of what you trust of God’s word through study); whatever off-target lifestyle is not of God’s righteousness(according to His standard); sexual misconduct. Sexual misconduct is a miss(errant arrow) against(into) yourself(ouch!). You are shooting yourself! You are shooting yourself with the arrows of unwanted relationships, unwanted pregnancies, disease, E.D., etc.

"Confession" just means to acknowledge your debt and come to an agreement with the one you caused harm. We can at least say that we're sorry.

Sin is the worst and most misleading word we could have given hamartia, if you don’t believe me, just ask everyone you know, “What is a sin”, and you will get just as many answers. Why? Because the word “sin” doesn’t mean anything rather, it means whatever you think it means, or say it means, and to as many whom are dumb enough to listen to you! It is a “silly” word.

Hmn, this "sin" shit sounds entirely like that "god" silliness.

The English word "sin" comes from the Latin sinistra which means 'left-hand'. Back in the day, if you were left-handed, you were a sinister person. See how all this silliness started? 

A wise man's heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man's heart directs him toward the left. Eccl 10:2 NASB

Anyway, today “sin” is a “silly”, “silly” word and has become absolutely meaningless!

While it's fun to talk about words.....it seems rather pointless.   

It doesn't matter where the word came from, or that people who didn't speak english.....because english was not even a language yet ......didn't use an english word to describe the concept of taboo or spiritual uncleanliness.  

Sins, by any name and in any language, are those things that damage ones soul or ones relationship to the divine. Those things x which, commonly, are thought to incur a retributive punishment by an entity (or by fate)...if they are not somehow cleansed or accounted for. They may correlate to what we consider "wrong"...they may not..but it isn;t on account of their wrongness or the normative effect of religious belief that they are sinful. Nor does it have anything to do with which hand they sign their name with.

Your credibility on this, Hai..is fucking -shot-. You are silly, your comments are meaningless. It is completely unfathomable to accept that a person who has so much as a perfunctory understanding of the concept in general..or of it's place and specific manifestation in judeo-christian mythology could have ever brought themselves to say anything you just posted, even as a joke.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:35 am)Khemikal Wrote: While it's fun to talk about words.....it seems rather pointless.   

It doesn't matter where the word came from, or that people who didn't speak english.....because english was not even a language yet ......didn't use an english word to describe the concept of taboo or spiritual uncleanliness.  

Sins, by any name and in any language, are those things that damage ones soul or ones relationship to the divine.  Those things x which, commonly, are thought to incur a retributive punishment by an entity (or by fate)...if they are not somehow cleansed or accounted for.  They may correlate to what we consider "wrong"...they may not..but it isn;t on account of their wrongness or the normative effect of religious belief that they are sinful.  Nor does it have anything to do with which hand they sign their name with.

Your credibility on this, Hai..is fucking -shot-.  You are silly, your comments are meaningless.  It is completely unfathomable to accept that a person who has so much as a perfunctory understanding of the concept in general..or of it's place and manifestation in judeo-christian mythology could have ever brought themselves to say anything you just posted.

Now that's funny! I, a theist, said the entire concept of "sin" is silly based on the actual words in the autographed languages of the bible. You, an atheist, argue back "religion" and "Judeo-Christian mythology"!