(January 22, 2018 at 1:17 am)J a c k Wrote: Take pride? I have tried during this whole thread to remain open to all arguments. I have read every post and considered it. I did not pick a side, so I could throw rocks at the other. But this is not something I can try to consider. I respect discussion, but this felt personal.

It was. There’s a reason T & T are here and it’s not because they just feel so deeply for a stranger. Thump, I’ve said it before, and I’ve got limited patience: I’m not going to even try to talk to you, ever. That’s going to make it really easy to see that the shitposts you direct at me are flaming. You should have nothing to say to me, so keep it civil and I’ll just ignore you, shitcan it and we can ignore each other or keep it up and I’ll just report it.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But as Joods explained, her issue isnt that Grace didnt report it to police. Its that Grace reported it to the media instead of reporting it to the police. And that the story didn't depict sexual assault in the first place, thereby hanging this guy on public opinion rather than allowing him a fair trial.

And as I've said,that's a distinction without a difference. The fact that Grace talked to other people first about the events of that night, rather than the police, has zero bearing on what actually happened. Even if she never talks to the police -- does that mean Aziz didn't "forcibly kiss" her after she'd put her clothes back on? Does that mean he didn't grope her unwillingly? You know, he did not dispute those claims.

I've already addressed why she might go to the media (vis. his hypocrisy), and will not repeat myself solely for your nemefit.

And as I've also said earlier, whether or not what happened is sexual assault in the eyes of New York law is arguable. If you want to have that discussion, I'm game. It seems possible, if not certain. I've already posted the pertinent law.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: None of us is saying sexual assault didn't happen because Grace didnt go to the police. We think sexual assault didn't happen because the story Grace gave didn't depict sexual assault.

Bullshit. Joods is saying quite clearly that the fact she didn't report it is damaging to her viewpoint. I'll link those posts if you need; but I'm buggered to satisfy obtuseness when you can read for yourself.

And furthermore, you should reread my link to "forcible contact", which in New York"s law is indeed a form of sexual assault. What you think isn't terribly important copmpared to what the law actually says.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:40 am)Shell B Wrote:

(January 22, 2018 at 1:17 am)J a c k Wrote: Take pride? I have tried during this whole thread to remain open to all arguments. I have read every post and considered it. I did not pick a side, so I could throw rocks at the other. But this is not something I can try to consider. I respect discussion, but this felt personal.

It was. There’s a reason T & T are here and it’s not because they just feel so deeply for a stranger. Thump, I’ve said it before, and I’ve got limited patience: I’m not going to even try to talk to you, ever. That’s going to make it really easy to see that the shitposts you direct at me are flaming. You should have nothing to say to me, so keep it civil and I’ll just ignore you, shitcan it and we can ignore each other or keep it up and I’ll just report it.

His hatred isn't with you. It's with me because:
1 - I stood up to his girl and refused to allow her to get the best of me because she couldn't understand my point of view and twisted it into several knots. 
2 - Clearly he has had issues since he came back and hasn't been the same person that left. 
3 - I didn't rage quit as he's insinuated, when that other thread came about. After all was said and done, I have, for the last two years, ignored drich because of that thread. And I've done a damn good job at preventing drich from getting to me like he did then. 
4 - Thumpy doesn't like what I've said in this thread because I've defended CL and defended myself and have not wavered on what I've said. 


I refuse to kiss his ass or Thena's ass just because I don't happen to agree with either one of them about what happened to this woman. They both need to just get the fuck over themselves and stop misrepresenting what I've actually said.

Well, whoever he’s pissed at, we’ve been told not to flame each other and I’ve ignored him entirely until the last post to reiterate our no-talky policy. It really should stay in place.

As for Thena, I really ought to do the same thing. I let myself get the better of myself when she shittalked. Imma try harder. No more eating bait.

Would intentionally misrepresenting someone's posts be considered flaming? If so, there are several instances of that in this thread alone.

I don’t think so.

(January 22, 2018 at 3:01 am)Shell B Wrote: I don’t think so.

That's a damn shame then. Intentionally misrepresenting, misconstruing someone's posts and continually twisting words does nothing to add to the conversation on the topic at hand. It causes unnecessary shit slinging and insults to happen. Thinking out loud, here, but perhaps the PD needs to be revisited to include something on this.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:38 am)Joods Wrote: Wow Thump, just wow. First of all - I NEVER said she didn't report it. I questioned WHY she would go to a reporter first. Yet you still refuse to read anything that's actually there. But as usual - take your cues from your girl and keep misrepresenting what really was said. 

Fact is, you've argued through this thread that her not reporting it to the police undermines her claim.  Here, let's read your own words, as you wrote them [all emphases were added by me -- Thump]:

(January 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Joods Wrote: I compel anyone to find anything that would indicate that he sexually assaulted her, under the legal definition as defined by New York State Statutes and I will gladly stand corrected.

But this guy hasn't been charged with anything, she hasn't filed charges, he seemed genuinely remorse and tried to consider her feelings by showing some empathy the very next day. None of us were there and we weren't privy to the conversation that took place. So until we see that she moves forward with pressing charges, then I think I can safely say that she wasn't sexually assaulted but perhaps she feels jilted because he's famous, the little bit of contact they did have was awkward and she's mad that it wasn't any better. It makes no sense to accuse someone of sexual assault if the first place you go to is a reporter instead of the police or even a rape crisis center. Most victims of this type of crime don't want their name plastered in papers because of the type of crime. I know I sure as hell didn't want my name out there.

(January 21, 2018 at 2:44 pm)Joods Wrote: Good for you. Did you want a pat on the back for that? A cookie maybe? Thena? Come deal with your man. Stroke his ego. Clearly he needs it. 

lol, you hoped no one would notice your refusal to engage the point being made.

I quoted your words explaining why a woman might not file a police report. Have you changed your mind about those words? Do you have something else in mind? Come now, come clear -- you've laid out good reasons why a woman might not file a report.

(January 21, 2018 at 5:28 pm)Joods Wrote: The purpose of forums is to discuss things.

Quote:Oddly enough, you didn't say a fucking word when Shell told her to shut up. Where was your outrage then?

If you can't see where my outrage is - you are stupid. I'm not going to defend your girl when she was accusing me of being a victim blamer. Both of you can fuck off. 

I guess, then, that you're not really into discussing things if someone disagrees. Typical remora.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:38 am)Joods Wrote: Being raped is NOTHING to take pride in. I never said his behavior was acceptable. Matter of fact, in a previous post, I stated that BOTH of them are responsible adults. I clearly outlined what the BOTH could have done to prevent anything from happening. As far as legality - I am not going to sit here and continue repeating what you obviously refuse to read correctly. 

It's amazing how idiotic some people can be sometimes. There are at least two or three individuals in this thread who have chosen to sit in harsh judgment of those who feel like Grace wasn't a victim of any sort of SA. Just because we don't agree with you or your girl or Grace or anyone else who thinks the way you do - doesn't make us bad people. It doesn't make us obnoxious. It doesn't make us unsympathetic or any other adjective you want to throw at us. 

It makes us logically want to seek out more information before casting judgment on a guy because a woman chose to go to a reporter and tell a story for which there are no records of her filing a report with the police. And maybe she did. But we don't know that. There is no evidence that she was threatened. There is no evidence that she was held against her will. She admitted to being able to leave the house of her own free will. And she could clearly do so at any time. That's not placing blame on her. That is discussing what her options were and what she could have done. Learn the fucking difference.

Again with the "she didn't call the police" thing. Of course she didn't. And clearly, because she didn't, you don't feel she was a victim of sexual assault -- as you yourself just wrote.  It has nothing to do with "my girl", who you keep trying to drag into this as if it's a point in your favor. This is just you trying to demean my opinion by chalking it down to me being in love. Stupid.

When you're willing to address my point -- namely, that you, who were so grievously hurt by having your own assault demeaned because you didn't report it, turn around and use that same fact to demean another woman's report -- well, then perhaps we can talk.  You need to explain your change of heart, why you not filing a report was right, but Grace not filing one is damning.

If you don't want to do that, fine, no sweat. But so long as you continue to gloss that over, I'm going to shrug at your fulminations. I really don't care about you and your opinion of me is none of my business.

(January 22, 2018 at 2:40 am)Shell B Wrote: Thump, I’ve said it before, and I’ve got limited patience: I’m not going to even try to talk to you, ever. That’s going to make it really easy to see that the shitposts you direct at me are flaming. You should have nothing to say to me, so keep it civil and I’ll just ignore you, shitcan it and we can ignore each other or keep it up and I’ll just report it.

I don't give a fuck about your patience. If you don't like a post of mine, report it and let the Staff decide whether or not I'm afoul the rules.

Babe approached Grace first.

http://www.nme.com/news/tv/aziz-ansari-a...ns-2221989

great I can copy paste through mobile now

(January 22, 2018 at 3:56 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:

(January 22, 2018 at 2:38 am)Joods Wrote: Wow Thump, just wow. First of all - I NEVER said she didn't report it. I questioned WHY she would go to a reporter first. Yet you still refuse to read anything that's actually there. But as usual - take your cues from your girl and keep misrepresenting what really was said. 

Fact is, you've argued through this thread that her not reporting it to the police undermines her claim.  Here, let's read your own words, as you wrote them [all emphases were added by me -- Thump]:

(January 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Joods Wrote: she hasn't filed charges [...]. So until we see that she moves forward with pressing charges, then I think I can safely say that she wasn't sexually assaulted but perhaps she feels jilted because he's famous [...]

Below is what I actually wrote before you intentionally left out parts of not only the first sentence you quoted, but the second one as well. Just because you added bold to my quote to show emphasis, doesn't give you the right to edit it by removing certain words and making it look like I said something that I didn't. That's dishonest. You have been intentionally misrepresenting me and I'm reporting you for it. 

(January 17, 2018 at 10:19 pm)Joods Wrote: But this guy hasn't been charged with anything, she hasn't filed charges, he seemed genuinely remorse and tried to consider her feelings by showing some empathy the very next day. None of us were there and we weren't privy to the conversation that took place. So until we see that she moves forward with pressing charges, then I think I can safely say that she wasn't sexually assaulted but perhaps she feels jilted because he's famous, the little bit of contact they did have was awkward and she's mad that it wasn't any better. It makes no sense to accuse someone of sexual assault if the first place you go to is a reporter instead of the police or even a rape crisis center. Most victims of this type of crime don't want their name plastered in papers because of the type of crime. I know I sure as hell didn't want my name out there.

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JFC. I am done with certain people. If I made a remark or a statement in where I forgot to use the word "first", then fucking shoot me. Clearly, anyone can see from the stance on this that I have taken, the fact that I have stood by and defended my position for dozens of pages now. I have been emotional and passionate about this thread and I am human. All one has to do is clearly understand that and they would understand that typing errors certainly do happen and I'm not perfect.

I have maintained and will continue to maintain that I did not accuse this woman of NOT going to the police. If she has, we don't see where any charges have been filed. That doesn't mean she didn't file. It could simply mean that the police haven't found enough evidence to move forward with an arrest yet. It's called doing an investigation.

Some of you need to get the fuck off my back about the fact that I have every right to want to discuss the fact that she called a reporter before calling the police.

If you don't like that I question this woman and her story and that I personally don't feel like she was sexually assaulted then oh. Fucking. Well. I'm not the only one who feels that way. Get off my fucking back.

I don't have to agree with your viewpoints. That does not give YOU the fucking right to accuse me of being a victim blamer. It gives you the right to refute my viewpoints with YOUR OWN and NOT berate me or try and belittle me for having my own fucking opinions. You let this discussion get out of hand when you also accused CL of having some religious agenda.

That's two people's words you have intentionally twisted in this thread. I don't know what the fuck your deal is, but if you keep doing this, you're going to continue losing the respect of other people here. I don't know about you, but to me, that doesn't seem like a smart road to drive down . But by all means....you're behind the wheel. Do what you want.