I notice that AM is arguing that women evolved to be weaker so they can be raped rather than men evolved to be stronger to better attract women. Despite plenty of examples of that happening in nature, e.g. stags rutting etc. And despite the fact that it wouldn't actually work that way because the female of the species would lose the ability to select for superior genes.

When I see arguments like this it always strikes me as post-hoc rationalisation. Especially in a thread trying to convince people (or the OP himself) that he has superior self control.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:18 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:07 pm)Whateverist Wrote: That's the funny I was talking about.  No, of course not.  Liberals simply recognize that the factors which are outside ones control are also very significant.

"Also very significant" is fine. But for a lot of liberals, "overwhelming" is more accurate.

Well in some situations overwhelming is the word for it.  Just read the book Beloved.  Wasn't crazy about it but it sure gives a vivid idea of what the world must look like from the point of view of someone raised in slavery.  Pretty easy to see how little prepared they would have been to provide an adequate start for their own kids.  Over time we can hope that would dissipate just like the advantage enjoyed by the old money fortunes which were made on the backs of those enslaved.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Mathilda Wrote: I notice that AM is arguing that women evolved to be weaker so they can be raped rather than men evolved to be stronger to better attract women. Despite plenty of examples of that happening in nature, e.g. stags rutting etc. And despite the fact that it wouldn't actually work that way because the female of the species would lose the ability to select for superior genes.

Forced copulation (what rape is called for species other than humans) is a known behavior:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...al_Kingdom

Well of course they do.  Case in point, the president tried to saturday night massacre mueller...but was manfully self controlled by the deep state.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well in some situations overwhelming is the word for it.  Just read the book Beloved.  Wasn't crazy about it but it sure gives a vivid idea of what the world must look like from the point of view of someone raised in slavery.  Pretty easy to see how little prepared they would have been to provide an adequate start for their own kids.  Over time we can hope that would dissipate just like the advantage enjoyed by the old money fortunes which were made on the backs of those enslaved.

I don't think we're helping it to dissipate by telling certain people that they don't have a chance at success on their own and need the government to lean on.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:38 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well in some situations overwhelming is the word for it.  Just read the book Beloved.  Wasn't crazy about it but it sure gives a vivid idea of what the world must look like from the point of view of someone raised in slavery.  Pretty easy to see how little prepared they would have been to provide an adequate start for their own kids.  Over time we can hope that would dissipate just like the advantage enjoyed by the old money fortunes which were made on the backs of those enslaved.

I don't think we're helping it to dissipate by telling certain people that they don't have a chance at success on their own and need the government to lean on.

Most forms of social welfare here have a work requirement. Some people literally don't have a chance without help. If government doesn't help anyone, what are they here for.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:38 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:24 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Well in some situations overwhelming is the word for it.  Just read the book Beloved.  Wasn't crazy about it but it sure gives a vivid idea of what the world must look like from the point of view of someone raised in slavery.  Pretty easy to see how little prepared they would have been to provide an adequate start for their own kids.  Over time we can hope that would dissipate just like the advantage enjoyed by the old money fortunes which were made on the backs of those enslaved.

I don't think we're helping it to dissipate by telling certain people that they don't have a chance at success on their own and need the government to lean on.

Damn you are dense. NOBODY is advocating a Stalin nanny state IDIOT!

Laws before the Great Depression lead up to the great depression. There was virtually NO middle class prior. Our social safety nets, and graduated tax code that were formed climbing out of the Great Depression, ARE WHAT BUILT OUR MIDDLE CLASS.

I am sorry someone sold you the BULLSHIT attitude that social safety nets are communist ideas. If you hate communism so much, then you should NOT be voting for a fucking party that wants us to replicate China's authoritarian capitalism here. China is a communist country, AND they allow western business to exist there. Is that what you think we should look like? You think global competition is about sweat shop labor and sweat shop wages? GREAT, then go move there if that is what you think.


We are not a mono class society. All classes have the right to vote here. We are not a one party state either. Don't like it? TOO FUCKING BAD!

Get this through your tiny pea brain, NOBODY IS ADVOCATING STALIN'S COMMUNISM. GROW THE FUCK UP!

(January 26, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Industrial Lad Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:38 pm)alpha male Wrote: I don't think we're helping it to dissipate by telling certain people that they don't have a chance at success on their own and need the government to lean on.

Most forms of social welfare here have a work requirement. Some people literally don't have a chance without help. If government doesn't help anyone, what are they here for.

To build roads, create and enforce a legal system, etc.

Maintaining infrastructure and upholding just laws are but forms of helping people, no?

It might make sense that conservatives generally possess more self-control, considering their obsession with absolutes and finalities. I suppose there's value to holding strong convictions; it's just that all their convictions seem to be either plain wrong or pointless. For example, one of my freshman year roommates was a Mormon, about to go on a mission, who claimed he hadn't masturbated in two years. I believed him, and actually admired that level of self-control, but...why? If only they could apply that resolve to something useful.

On the other hand, a Richard Dawkins show I watched examined studies showing that conservatives actually consume the most pornography, so clearly they don't all have that control. (Utah County also boasts the highest rate of white collar crime.) It all comes down to that old psychological precept, that people will lust more after something if it is made taboo.

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We need more atheists like Dawkins, with determination and resolve equal to that of our hallucinating opposition. I think our main issue as a group is that we tend to be independent thinkers who aren't naturally inclined to join together.

(January 26, 2018 at 1:37 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(January 26, 2018 at 1:22 pm)Mathilda Wrote: I notice that AM is arguing that women evolved to be weaker so they can be raped rather than men evolved to be stronger to better attract women. Despite plenty of examples of that happening in nature, e.g. stags rutting etc. And despite the fact that it wouldn't actually work that way because the female of the species would lose the ability to select for superior genes.

Forced copulation (what rape is called for species other than humans) is a known behavior:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication...al_Kingdom

Tornados and cancer exist too, doesn't mean the victim wants to be affected by them.

Yes rape exists and? I really hope you are NOT arguing that atheists advocate rape. 

Humans also look for cures for cancer. Criminologists and psychiatrists interview BOTH rape victims and their perps, to figure out tactics and motives, which is why we know that rape isn't about sex, sexuality but power and control.

The real irony is that your bible DOES NOT condone rape. In fact, it treats girls as property at best, so if a female is "deflowered" without the father's permission, the male whom has done such, gets a penalty fine to be paid to the family. The psychological trauma to the female is not addressed in the bible. THAT IS because BACK THEN females WORLDWIDE in every religion were considered property, not equals.

YOU WILL NOT find the words "Thall shalt not rape" in that book.