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~~John V~~ · February 5, 2018 at 7:41 am

(February 5, 2018 at 6:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Count down to AM telling you it’s all your fault; you shouldn’t have had kids if you couldn’t afford it, in 3...2...1...

That seems like a more reasonable approach than having them anyway and expecting the rest of society to pay for them.

pocaracas · February 5, 2018 at 7:43 am

(February 5, 2018 at 7:26 am)alpha male Wrote:
(February 4, 2018 at 7:25 pm)pocaracas Wrote: yeah... they keep you alive to live with it!
The bastards!

The mom did get to 70. Her son died in his fifties.

It sucks...
https://academic.oup.com/rheumatology/ar...83/2289541

Quote:Patients with rheumatoid arthritis (RA) die at a younger age than their peers in most hospital series
[...]
an increased mortality from vascular disease in RA has been consistently reported in both established and inception studies [ 1 , 3 ], and an increased [standardized mortality rate] for respiratory disease and lymphoreticular cancers has also been recognized in most series.
[...]
increasing age and male gender have been recognized as predictors for an earlier death in RA

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 9:38 am by The Grand Nudger.)

(February 5, 2018 at 7:41 am)alpha male Wrote:
(February 5, 2018 at 6:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Count down to AM telling you it’s all your fault; you shouldn’t have had kids if you couldn’t afford it, in 3...2...1...

That seems like a more reasonable approach than having them anyway and expecting the rest of society to pay for them.

The time to have that discussion is whenever society stops paying for you. Honestly, this is why we can never expect "reasonable" healthcare reform, or even a reasonable discussion on healthcare reform, from the right wing. Only a new cruelty.

**LadyForCamus** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 9:37 am by LadyForCamus.)

(February 5, 2018 at 7:41 am)alpha male Wrote:
(February 5, 2018 at 6:48 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Count down to AM telling you it’s all your fault; you shouldn’t have had kids if you couldn’t afford it, in 3...2...1...

That seems like a more reasonable approach than having them anyway and expecting the rest of society to pay for them.

I’m sorry; did Joods say that “the rest of society” is paying for her kids? No. She said they bust their asses to provide for their children.

(February 5, 2018 at 9:35 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(February 5, 2018 at 7:41 am)alpha male Wrote: That seems like a more reasonable approach than having them anyway and expecting the rest of society to pay for them.

The time to have that discussion is whenever society stops paying for you. Honestly, this is why we can never expect "reasonable" healthcare reform, or even a reasonable discussion on healthcare reform, from the right wing. Only a new cruelty.

Only well-off people deserve to have families I guess.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 9:44 am by The Grand Nudger.)

His wasn't one of them, anyway...nor will he ever be able to return the amount of investment that was expended upon him. I'm sure he thinks he pulled himself up by his bootstraps, ofc. It's an all too common example of selective accounting. IMO, if we were legitimately considering pulling the rug of society out from under people..the people who advocate for pulling the rug would be the first to go, not the poor. Those guys don't believe in the social contract..so..fine, let em go their own way.

~~John V~~ · February 5, 2018 at 10:04 am

(February 5, 2018 at 9:36 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m sorry; did Joods say that “the rest of society” is paying for her kids? No.

Money is fungible. When she argues for publicly supported health care and ties that to child support payments, yes, she effectively is saying that the public should pay for her kids.

Or, she introduced a red herring as an emotional ploy.

Take your pick.

GrandizerII · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 10:20 am by GrandizerII.)

(February 5, 2018 at 10:04 am)alpha male Wrote:
(February 5, 2018 at 9:36 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m sorry; did Joods say that “the rest of society” is paying for her kids? No.

Money is fungible. When she argues for publicly supported health care and ties that to child support payments, yes, she effectively is saying that the public should pay for her kids.

Or, she introduced a red herring as an emotional ploy.

Take your pick.

What's wrong with chipping in to invest in the well-being of all citizens, including yourself and your loved ones, but especially those who can't at all afford to pay for medical procedures necessary for their survival and/or well-being? A lot of people can't afford to due to life circumstances beyond their control. Isn't it the Christian thing to do anyway, to care about their well-being and do what is needed to help them out? Or is it unChristian to be the Samaritan these days?

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 10:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)

The public payed for you and that turned out to be a shit deal, so I'm not sure what the problem is. More than that, assuming the absolute worst..what's the alternative? Children's work camps? Beggars prisons? Emaciated corpses shambling through the streets?

This is how human society has always worked. We hang together, or we all hang separately. There is no future for us as isolated individuals, and there never has been. It seems more than moot point anyway, I can't take seriously any complaints about our country taking care of other peoples children until we..you know..actually take care of other peoples children.

**Silver** · February 5, 2018 at 10:23 am

(February 5, 2018 at 10:20 am)Grandizer Wrote: Or is it unChristian to be the Samaritan these days?

Considering that people can be humanitarians without resorting to a silly religious belief, I have noticed that most Christians tend to think they can only do good because it is something their religion requires, as though without the religion informing them to be good they would unreasonably be bad.

Amarok · (This post was last modified: February 5, 2018 at 10:37 am by Amarok.)

I long ago stopped trying to reason with him.

Quote:WTF, I gave stats from 2014 - 16. Why do you lie?

Actually no you didn't. At no point did you show the stats were out of date .Or that the trend in them has reversed .

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