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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 2:10 pm
Who know's, but I'm sure it's the other guys fault.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 2:26 pm
(February 7, 2018 at 7:15 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Um . . .
Just occurred to me God would have experienced directly Jesus death on the cross and would have also suffered Christ's depredations in Hell.
Does that mute or enhance what Jesus experienced ?
God would have had to willingly submit to everything that happened to Jesus too . . . and shared His reactions.
Like Jesus anger at the fig tree, Jesus being aware His feet were sore/tired from trekking from place to place, Jesus feeling hunger and knowing it's time to eat, God has a direct simultaneous identical experience.
Is there theological peril with any of that ?
If the word God is a title and not a name why would the Father feel what the son endured outside of empathy? The father is seperate from the son as well as the Spirit is seperate from the Father and Son.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 2:35 pm
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You know..there was a branch of christendom that asked that exact question about 1700 years ago..and got called heretics for their trouble. That;s precisely why we have a nicene creed...and the hilariously illogical "separate but co-equal" trinitarian god.
As far as heretics go, they got off pretty easy (their books were burnt rather than their flesh).... a fortunate confluence of faith and avarice for both parties.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm
(February 8, 2018 at 2:09 pm)SteveII Wrote: (February 7, 2018 at 11:55 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It’s definitely pretty fucking stupid, though. That’s for sure.
You probably are not in danger of someone ripping of that quote to put on a poster for civil discourse.
Not at all related to that, I wonder why our society is getting so polarized?
I didn’t say you, or anyone else was stupid, Steve. I simply find this particular doctrine to be baldly, batshit idiotic. I honestly cannot think of a more tactful way to say it that doesn’t diminish how strongly I feel about that, lol.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 9:54 pm
Is there a formal logical fallacy to describe the kind of reverse ad hominem, wherein instead of someone attacking an individual (note spelling, Drich  ) instead of their position or argument, the individual throws themselves in the path of the attack on their position to make it personal?
If there isn't, I want to lay claim to the Bodyguard Fallacy.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 10:59 pm
(February 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 2:09 pm)SteveII Wrote: You probably are not in danger of someone ripping of that quote to put on a poster for civil discourse.
Not at all related to that, I wonder why our society is getting so polarized?
I didn’t say you, or anyone else was stupid, Steve. I simply find this particular doctrine to be baldly, batshit idiotic. I honestly cannot think of a more tactful way to say it that doesn’t diminish how strongly I feel about that, lol.
I don’t think that really makes a difference. If you have something to add or an argument to make is one thing. If I’m doing something stupid, or my thinking is wrong show me. However, if this isn’t your intention... an emotional outburst of “that’s stupid”... and walking off in an earnest discussion. Just seems childish. I agree.... it’s uncouth and not part of civil discussion.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 11:05 pm
(February 8, 2018 at 10:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 2:49 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I didn’t say you, or anyone else was stupid, Steve. I simply find this particular doctrine to be baldly, batshit idiotic. I honestly cannot think of a more tactful way to say it that doesn’t diminish how strongly I feel about that, lol.
I don’t think that really makes a difference. If you have something to add or an argument to make is one thing. If I’m doing something stupid, or my thinking is wrong show me. However, if this isn’t your intention... an emotional outburst of “that’s stupid”... and walking off in an earnest discussion. Just seems childish. I agree.... it’s uncouth and not part of civil discussion.
It’s just my opinion, Road. I’m entitled to it. It’s not emotional; it’s just what I think. *shrugs*
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 11:20 pm
(February 8, 2018 at 11:05 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 10:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t think that really makes a difference. If you have something to add or an argument to make is one thing. If I’m doing something stupid, or my thinking is wrong show me. However, if this isn’t your intention... an emotional outburst of “that’s stupid”... and walking off in an earnest discussion. Just seems childish. I agree.... it’s uncouth and not part of civil discussion.
It’s just my opinion, Road. I’m entitled to it. It’s not emotional; it’s just what I think. *shrugs*
You're a woman, LadyForCamus. Stop being aggressive like us men. These gentlemen have a problem with that.
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 11:21 pm
(February 8, 2018 at 11:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 11:05 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: It’s just my opinion, Road. I’m entitled to it. It’s not emotional; it’s just what I think. *shrugs*
You're a woman, LadyForCamus. Stop being aggressive like us men. These gentlemen have a problem with that.
I’ll get back to that kitchen where I belong. Pass me my apron? 😝
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RE: The Trinity Doctrine: Help me out, Christians
February 8, 2018 at 11:30 pm
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(February 8, 2018 at 11:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (February 8, 2018 at 11:20 pm)Grandizer Wrote: You're a woman, LadyForCamus. Stop being aggressive like us men. These gentlemen have a problem with that.
I’ll get back to that kitchen where I belong. Pass me my apron? 😝
Throws apron. And make us all a sammich.
You're very intelligent, by the way. And they just can't handle that. So they need to find a way to isolate you out as overly aggressive or emotional when in fact some of us men have shown way more aggression and emotionality than you have (if at all you have). And yet nobody calls us men aggressive.
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