(February 3, 2018 at 2:36 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Sigmund Freud said:

Quote:Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation; it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function, produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them. (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime –and a cruelty, too. If you do not believe me, read the books of Havelock Ellis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Fr...osexuality

He literally said, that homosexuality is not a crime; neither is it the person's fault. But -and I'm quoting Freud literally- it is a "production" of a "certain arrest of sexual development".

Homosexuality is a production of certain arrests of sexual development, and many people went through it.
Maybe Freud doesn't acknowledge the society's role in that arrest; and that's his opinion. But I acknowledge that the arrest is unnatural and actually caused by society.

That's all. Homosexuality is not natural.
It's a product of an "arrest" of sexual development.

Personally; I see that arrest -which I personally see as compulsive and forced- to be a crime.

First of all, much of Freud has long been refuted. You do understand that psychiatry has advanced leaps and bounds since Freud's day, right?

Second, the following animals all have regular instances of homosexual behavior:

Male lions
Male American bisons
Female penguins
Male elephants
Bonobo chimps
Male Amazon dolphins
Giraffes
And more...

Some of these engage in penetration, long term relationships, courting rituals, etc.

What did Freud say about them?

(February 7, 2018 at 8:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Problem with religious people, when they're talking about homosexuals, is that they don't know any homosexuals personally.

To varying degrees of closeness, from family to work associates, I can think of 15 off the top of my head.

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(February 7, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Second, the following animals all have regular instances of homosexual behavior:
Male lions
Male American bisons
Female penguins
Male elephants
Bonobo chimps
Male Amazon dolphins
Giraffes
And more...

I think the real question is not whether it occurs in nature. Lots of strange adaptive behaviors, like female spiders eating their suitors, occur in nature. But what is natural for spiders is not natural for human beings. The real question is not whether it natural, as in common place; but rather, natural, as in normative for human beings, to harbor certain desires and engage in specific behaviors.

(not to mention, well I guess I am, that according to Christian doctrine, we live in a fallen creation and as such animal behavior has also been corrupted by sin.)

(February 3, 2018 at 2:36 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: He literally said, that homosexuality is not a crime; neither is it the person's fault. But -and I'm quoting Freud literally- it is a "production" of a "certain arrest of sexual development".

Homosexuality is a production of certain arrests of sexual development, and many people went through it.
Maybe Freud doesn't acknowledge the society's role in that arrest; and that's his opinion. But I acknowledge that the arrest is unnatural and actually caused by society.

That's all. Homosexuality is not natural.
It's a product of an "arrest" of sexual development.

Personally; I see that arrest -which I personally see as compulsive and forced- to be a crime.

Okay, you're turning to Freud for information about sexuality? Dude was notoriously wrong about everything involving sex.

All of that aside, any variation in sexual development is, without question, natural. Sexual development is natural. Our reactions to it are natural. Even the horrible things that can happen to people to fuck up their sexual development are "natural," even if they're abhorrent. Therefore, you should just pick up your balls and say what you want to say. You hate homosexuality. It's most assuredly not unnatural, so you'll just have to face your true opinion one of these days.

(February 7, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 7, 2018 at 8:05 am)Fake Messiah Wrote: Problem with religious people, when they're talking about homosexuals, is that they don't know any homosexuals personally.

To varying degrees of closeness, from family to work associates, I can think of 15 off the top of my head.

And that's why you've been quiet about them in this topic. Only now you read "religious people" and automatically concluded it's about you because you didn't bother to see the context I was writing in.

Ah the i can't hate gays or have bias against them because i have gay friends pitch.By the same logic "how can I be a sexist  I love my mother.". It's a dumb excuse to wiggly out of responsibility for  prejudice .

I want to add that I do not give a flying fuck whether homosexuality is natural, unnatural, a choice, or any combination of these... There is nothing wrong with it.

So you say.

(February 8, 2018 at 9:53 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: So you say.

As I say there is nothing wrong with a good martini.

(February 3, 2018 at 3:20 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 3:00 am)DLJ Wrote: Fine, so we agree that it's natural then.  

I get "process".  I'm a process consultant.  

When my sexuality is in a state of arrest I become a monk.

But it usually just means that I'm short of cash.

Death.
Death is very natural. But I don't think so many want to die; and those who want to die have reasons, ranging from depression to wrong understanding of life.

But death is a process. Just like feeding. Just like sex.
It's a process with stages.

Death makes flesh rot. Mummify the body; and you cheat rotting.
Feeding makes you overweight. Avoid fatty food, and you cheat getting overweight.
Sex makes you produce certain hormones. Avoid a certain gender sexually, and you'll avoid the hormones being produced when certain genders are present.

That's why the process of sexual arrest, requires a long, long time. And need to happen from a very young age.
That's my opinion; at least.

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(February 3, 2018 at 3:08 am)Cyberman Wrote: Atlas doth protest too much, methinks. Freud would probably write a paper on it.

I wish if he was alive in this era.
I want to hear his opinion about Marijuana, modern humans and MS's effect on the Psychology of young men.

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(February 3, 2018 at 3:09 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Have you discussed this with your boyfriend?

Boru

I'm straight. Homosexuality is a mere product of sexual arrest. I add cultural and false religious repression to the mixture.
Sexuality is a state of mind, it never was a static thing.

I remember when you were bi...and I liked you better then. Just saying.

(February 9, 2018 at 4:49 pm)Losty Wrote:

(February 3, 2018 at 3:20 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Death.
Death is very natural. But I don't think so many want to die; and those who want to die have reasons, ranging from depression to wrong understanding of life.

But death is a process. Just like feeding. Just like sex.
It's a process with stages.

Death makes flesh rot. Mummify the body; and you cheat rotting.
Feeding makes you overweight. Avoid fatty food, and you cheat getting overweight.
Sex makes you produce certain hormones. Avoid a certain gender sexually, and you'll avoid the hormones being produced when certain genders are present.

That's why the process of sexual arrest, requires a long, long time. And need to happen from a very young age.
That's my opinion; at least.

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I wish if he was alive in this era.
I want to hear his opinion about Marijuana, modern humans and MS's effect on the Psychology of young men.

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I'm straight. Homosexuality is a mere product of sexual arrest. I add cultural and false religious repression to the mixture.
Sexuality is a state of mind, it never was a static thing.

I remember when you were bi...and I liked you better then. Just saying.

https://atheistforums.org/thread-42551-p...pid1248781

15th April 2016, 01:34

Quote:I know what I feel. I crossdressed before, and was about to have sex with other males. I hate males who are not feminine, but I would enjoy a bottom experience.

Put so many lines under "who aren't feminine"

Also

18th May 2017, 08:43

https://atheistforums.org/thread-48991-p...pid1554429

Quote:I'm bisexual.
I don't like men unless they are transexual MTF, without organ mutilation.

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In other words; I love women and transexuals-shemales-ladyboys.

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