It's a minority opinion with respect to 2 Corinthians, but that is not to say that there was not some redaction after the death of Paul. A simple majority of his New Testament letters were forgeries, and so, it is likely that some of the "authentic" letters got modified as well.

(February 10, 2018 at 8:34 am)Jehanne Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 2:58 am)Godscreated Wrote: That Jesus was arrested by Roman guards and that He was arrested in the Temple.

GC

It's a logical inference.  Do you honestly think that Jesus could have gone to the Temp and "cleansed" it with no reaction from the Romans??  By the way, how many times do you believe that Jesus "cleansed" the Temple?  Once or twice?

 Now you're just trying to save face by dodging the conversation with another that wasn't being discussed, shame. You know the conversation was about Jesus arrest at the garden because it is the only time we know He was arrested. No the Romans did not arrest Jesus at the cleansing of the Temple, and your inference isn't logical only to save face. There was only one time Jesus cleanses the Temple, though it like many other stories was written about in three different gospels Matthew, Mark and Luke. I'm surprised you didn't ask if I believe in one, two or three different times He cleansed the temple. Now you have two things to answer the arrest and the number of times He cleansed the Temple.
GC

(February 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It's a minority opinion with respect to 2 Corinthians, but that is not to say that there was not some redaction after the death of Paul.  A simple majority of his New Testament letters were forgeries, and so, it is likely that some of the "authentic" letters got modified as well.

This is not an issue that is open to a vote.  Academia is not a democracy.

And F. C. Baur was writing in 1835 that this paul shit was created as an opposition to gnosticism and Marcionism so lets not pretend that there is anything new here.

No GC he simple not letting theist play apologetic games .

(February 13, 2018 at 12:24 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 8:34 am)Jehanne Wrote: It's a logical inference.  Do you honestly think that Jesus could have gone to the Temp and "cleansed" it with no reaction from the Romans??  By the way, how many times do you believe that Jesus "cleansed" the Temple?  Once or twice?

 Now you're just trying to save face by dodging the conversation with another that wasn't being discussed, shame. You know the conversation was about Jesus arrest at the garden because it is the only time we know He was arrested. No the Romans did not arrest Jesus at the cleansing of the Temple, and your inference isn't logical only to save face. There was only one time Jesus cleanses the Temple, though it like many other stories was written about in three different gospels Matthew, Mark and Luke. I'm surprised you didn't ask if I believe in one, two or three different times He cleansed the temple. Now you have two things to answer the arrest and the number of times He cleansed the Temple.
GC

And, so, you believe that Jesus went to Jerusalem, got a whip, went into the Temple, overturned tables, and chased people around, and the Roman and Jewish authorities did nothing???

G-C believes everything that is written in his stupid, fucking, bible.  No matter how silly it may be.

What does Jesus need with a whip ?

Can't He just turn miscreants into newts or something ?


Or how about a more Biblical turn of phrase, couldn't Jesus have commanded the earth to vomit out the money changers ??

THAT would have got their attention !!!

Quote:Can't He just turn miscreants into newts or something ?

They get better.

(February 13, 2018 at 12:00 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: What does Jesus need with a whip ?

Can't He just turn miscreants into newts or something ?


Or how about a more Biblical turn of phrase, couldn't Jesus have commanded the earth to vomit out the money changers ??

THAT would have got their attention !!!

Like the tale of Jesus' arrest in a garden, the story is not believable. For instance, cutting off someone's ear off with an ancient sword would, in and of itself, be a miracle. Swords in that time were not sharp, and the angle of attack would be impossible for anyone to make.

But, such makes for a good story, for believers at least!

(February 13, 2018 at 1:21 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 8:23 pm)Jehanne Wrote: It's a minority opinion with respect to 2 Corinthians, but that is not to say that there was not some redaction after the death of Paul.  A simple majority of his New Testament letters were forgeries, and so, it is likely that some of the "authentic" letters got modified as well.

This is not an issue that is open to a vote.  Academia is not a democracy.

I agree very much, with the part I bolded above.  Which begs the question (if this statistic is correct) why do they believe what they do.  Why should I believe it for that matter?

In my experience most of the time it comes down to petty textual criticism of this letter doesn't sound like this one, in which the facts are niggled  in to fit an a priori conclusion.  They don't have the ability to stand on their own, and normally wouldn't foster these conclusions (especially when amanuenses are considered).

There was a time, not that long ago, when it was popular opinion among "scholars" that Proverbs must have been written after Jesus's death.  That was until they where shown to be horribly wrong.   I could be mistaken, but I would ask for the facts and reasons here, and not just rely on mere popular opinion.