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February 14, 2018 at 3:28 pm (This post was last modified: February 14, 2018 at 3:29 pm by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(February 14, 2018 at 1:12 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(February 13, 2018 at 11:50 am)Jehanne Wrote: And, so, you believe that Jesus went to Jerusalem, got a whip, went into the Temple, overturned tables, and chased people around, and the Roman and Jewish authorities did nothing???
Many times the Jewish religious authority wanted to do something with Jesus and did not because they feared what might happen. The Romans gave little thought to this event, they tried to stay away from religious events to prevent further trouble with the Jewish people. By the way I do not remember any account saying He chased anyone around, I believe you are adding to the story for dramatic purposes, it's no wonder you and the other atheist think the Bible was corrupted by inconsistent retelling because it's all you know how to do to try and prove a point. Get things straight.
GC
(February 13, 2018 at 8:53 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Aren't you overlooking the symbolism of one of the disciples cutting off the high priest's servants ear to the story in Genesis 3:24 (NLT) = "After sending them out, the Lord God stationed mighty cherubim to the east of the Garden of Eden. And he placed a flaming sword that flashed back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."
Yeshua is depicted as the tree of life and when the disciple cut off the servant's ear he was acting like the cherubim who was guarding the tree of life in the Garden of Eden after Adam & Eve had been expelled. And you will notice that the Yeshua incident also takes place in the garden of Gethsemane. So the later story is a repeat of the first story.
When the disciple cut off the servant's ear he symbolically prevented the servant from hearing the message from the tree of life. But Yeshua had mercy on the one who would do him harm (also repeated in numerous passages) and gave him an opportunity to hear the message of eternal life.
The thing to remember when reading the biblical stories is that even if they seem illogical and ridiculous they are all based on the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:12-28 and that they are all related to other stories in the Bible.
Quote: You are correct in a way you do not see or understand the Bible is like a fine woven tapestry, it's all related. However your thought on Peter cutting off the ear of the servant and the angel guarding the Tree of Life just doesn't mesh. You are also using a paraphrased Bible that is made for easier reading and not necessarily totally accurate. I have the NLT and enjoy reading it but study more accurate translations.
GC
If Yeshua isn't the tree of life referred to in the fairy tale then who is it, Satan?
And the fairy tale doesn't name the disciple who cut off the servant's ear so where do you get the idea that it was Peter who did it?
While some Bible versions do omit whole verses they all present the same basic fairy tale. And all of the current English versions use modern words and phrases. And how do you know your favorite version is accurate? Do you compare it to the original Latin master copy of 692 A.D.?
Quote:The committee that wrote it did an amazing job without computers to keep track of the various threads.
Actually, they did a shitty job given the number of contradictions, duplications, and flat out lies.
There are some contradictions, usually detected by comparing various versions. But you keep ignoring the purpose of the stories, which is to illustrate the results of following and ignoring the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:12-28. The stories don't have to be real events to illustrate the points of the Ten Commandments. For instance, a person should be able to read a story and say that it illustrates the effects of following or disobeying the First Commandment or the 4th, or the 10th Commandment or any of the others.
Now get real. In the stories where there is only one or two characters in a scene and there's a lot of dialogue who in the hell do you think would have been there to observe those events and to record all of the dialogue? The biblical stories are no different than any other story. They are fiction!!! And that includes the ones that make reference to real people and to actual events (yes, there are several of them in the Bible). But all of the dialogue is fiction.
Where the committee did an excellent job was in constructing an epic story and in weaving a lot of threads into a complete fabric. It's the gold standard for fairy tales. When you read the Noah and the ark story you should be thinking about how it illustrates the First Commandment and not about the absurdity of actual water covering the entire planet over the highest mountain. When you read the story about the wise men visiting baby Yeshua and bringing him gifts you should be thinking about the 4th Commandment and how he was redeemed and recognized as a deity by strangers from distant lands. That shows that his appeal will be universal even if he did call Gentiles dogs and swine. And who are his biggest fans today? Gentiles. Jews hate him just like they did when he first appeared in the story.
(February 14, 2018 at 5:53 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: The 'early' Christians were Jews, BTW. Paul's retconning of Jesus' message hadn't occurred yet. No outreach to Gentiles either.
According to the fairy tale the first Christians were Syrians in the town of Antioch.
Acts 11:26 (NKJV) = "26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."
(February 14, 2018 at 5:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Tell that to the Fundies.
What can you tell people who believe in zombies except stories about ghosts and demons?
Consider that 'Christian' is literally the origin of the word 'cretin'.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(February 14, 2018 at 1:12 am)Godscreated Wrote: [hide]
Many times the Jewish religious authority wanted to do something with Jesus and did not because they feared what might happen. The Romans gave little thought to this event, they tried to stay away from religious events to prevent further trouble with the Jewish people. By the way I do not remember any account saying He chased anyone around, I believe you are adding to the story for dramatic purposes, it's no wonder you and the other atheist think the Bible was corrupted by inconsistent retelling because it's all you know how to do to try and prove a point. Get things straight.
GC
If Yeshua isn't the tree of life referred to in the fairy tale then who is it, Satan?
And the fairy tale doesn't name the disciple who cut off the servant's ear so where do you get the idea that it was Peter who did it?
While some Bible versions do omit whole verses they all present the same basic fairy tale. And all of the current English versions use modern words and phrases. And how do you know your favorite version is accurate? Do you compare it to the original Latin master copy of 692 A.D.?
It is a literal tree, why would God refer to himself as a tree when He walked with them daily.
John 18:10 "Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest's servant and cut off his right ear." Again and as expected you do not know what is in the Bible, so anything you say about it and I mean anything can't be trusted one bit.
You are wrong about the Bible being a fairy tale, but all the Bibles I'm aware of do present the same stories more or less the same. However a paraphrased Bible is not translated from the oldest and best transcripts, they are written from the existing translations to make reading easier. Well of coarse they do id they were written in the oldest English few would be able to understand what they are reading. The NASB is translated out of the oldest and best text we have, most if not all comes from the Hebrew and Greek and they used the Latin too, this combination gives use the best chance at an accurate translation. Your lack of Biblical knowledge just makes conversations with you so hard, that and your arrogant nature.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
