For all those people that say people kill people not guns, wich is true in a way. I want you to come with a solution on how can we change society or the enviroment so that people won't become monsters .
If you can't just don't bring it up anymore , we all know who kills but is no way to change people so much in a short term so that is why a quick solution is in need.

Nobody is born a monster , society makes them monsters.

Guns are definitely part of the problem in American society. But it's not just guns. There is the copycat phenomena as well ("I relate to this person, and this inspires me to want to do just like him"). And the media hype. And a lot of other things to consider.

But yes, you need to do something about the guns, obviously. It's way too easy for a mentally gone person to kill so many people in such a short amount of time with just a gun, it's scary.

EDIT: Don't forget lack of universal health care, high university fees, low minimum wage, etc. I bet all this is contributing indirectly to this specific problem.

(February 16, 2018 at 5:50 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: For all those people that say people kill people not guns, wich is true in a way. I want you to come with a solution on how can we change society or the enviroment so that people won't become monsters .
If you can't just don't bring it up anymore , we all know who kills but is no way to change people so much in a short term so that is why a quick solution is in need.

Nobody is born a monster , society makes them monsters.

Bullshit, you can give up if you want, but we'll keep trying.

(February 16, 2018 at 7:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 5:50 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: For all those people that say people kill people not guns, wich is true in a way. I want you to come with a solution on how can we change society or the enviroment so that people won't become monsters .
If you can't just don't bring it up anymore , we all know who kills but is no way to change people so much in a short term so that is why a quick solution is in need.

Nobody is born a monster , society makes them monsters.

Bullshit, you can give up if you want, but we'll keep trying.

I'm not giving up, but you need some quick solutions like restrictive gun laws so it won't be so easy for people to kill.
To get a better understanding of what I'm saying. Do you think that slavery was abolished and equal rights for black people were implemented because people stoped beeing racist over night ?

Edit: I agree with you that there are a lot of factors wich contribute to this problem , but I'm thinking that firstly you should try to solve them in a scale from easy to high difficulty.

(February 16, 2018 at 7:50 am)notimportant1234 Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 7:01 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: Bullshit, you can give up if you want, but we'll keep trying.

I'm not giving up, but you need some quick solutions like restrictive gun laws so it won't be so easy for people to kill.
To get a better understanding of what I'm saying. Do you think that slavery was abolished and equal rights for black people were implemented because people stoped beeing racist over night ?

Wow. Have a nice day.

(February 16, 2018 at 7:57 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(February 16, 2018 at 7:50 am)notimportant1234 Wrote: I'm not giving up, but you need some quick solutions like restrictive gun laws so it won't be so easy for people to kill.
To get a better understanding of what I'm saying. Do you think that slavery was abolished and equal rights for black people were implemented because people stoped beeing racist over night ?

Wow. Have a nice day.

I don't think we understand each other but fine.

(February 16, 2018 at 2:48 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_attack

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_New_Y...uck_attack

When anything can be a weapon, we'd ought to spend our energy addressing causes rather than means. I mean, if you want to kill ants, you can stamp about the countryside all day long, or you can look for the hive.

The answer actually is: he would have slammed into brick or a concrete and nobody would've been hurt. Its easier to get a car rather than a gun (at least a tad) but he chose to use a gun. Guns are deadlier, easier, to kill, work better for the goals.

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I can't think of a single reason that we have this problem other than WE HAVE SO MANY GUNS EVERYWHERE. It's common sense at this point.

People are always quick to defend their precious little toys with the idea that "Anything can be used as a weapon!"

Then why the fuck doesn't it happen more often? You know what you don't hear about on the news at least once a week? People driving into large groups of other people. You know what you DO hear about on the news at least once a week? MASS SHOOTINGS. This includes, funny enough, countries where gun ownership is very low. Gee, I wonder why the fuck that is? And that's not to mention that bollards can help prevent car attacks, while they do fuck all to guns.

You know, I'd feel a lot better about these conversations if people were more honest, and just said "I don't give a fuck about kids getting killed. I like guns, and I don't care how many kids die, I don't want to give them up to protect a single one of them. Their deaths are an acceptable price to pay for my toys."

(February 16, 2018 at 10:58 am)Divinity Wrote: People are always quick to defend their precious little toys with the idea that "Anything can be used as a weapon!"

Then why the fuck doesn't it happen more often?  You know what you don't hear about on the news at least once a week?  People driving into large groups of other people.  You know what you DO hear about on the news at least once a week?  MASS SHOOTINGS.  This includes, funny enough, countries where gun ownership is very low.  Gee, I wonder why the fuck that is?  And that's not to mention that bollards can help prevent car attacks, while they do fuck all to guns.  

You know, I'd feel a lot better about these conversations if people were more honest, and just said "I don't give a fuck about kids getting killed.  I like guns, and I don't care how many kids die, I don't want to give them up to protect a single one of them.  Their deaths are an acceptable price to pay for my toys."

If you want an honest conversation, I don't think demanding what you want to hear is a good start.  In my opinion, you have a pretty poor view of your opposition, and in my experience, people who talk like this, are not really interested in reason or discussion.

I find that most gun nuts don't want discussion. Especially about gun control. So they try to steer the conversation to vague ideas so as to distract everyone from the issue long enough, hoping their politicians will be able to brave through public opinion until their next donation from the NRA.