No system is foolproof.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43159509

Quote:Arizona couple charged with locking up adopted children

Quote:A couple in Arizona have been charged with locking up their adopted children for up to 12 hours at a time with only a bucket for a toilet.
Benito and Carol Gutierrez are accused of keeping the four children, aged between six and 12, locked in rooms with no light or food.
Police were alerted when one boy left the house in Tucson.
He entered a shop to call a relative, but an employee called police because of concerns about the boy's appearance.

So we should abort children to keep the few bad adoptive parents from abusing them. Got it.

No.

We should vet those who adopt kids more rigourously and have regular, random checks.

Yeah..showing a few bad examples of adoptive parents doesn't really have anything to do with abortion. There are plenty of shitty biological parents too, and I certainly wouldn't say that supports abortion either.

The answer to both of you is that we can't afford that either.  In almost every state the CPS function is underfunded.

And C/L... you have this rosy view of adoption which does not always match reality.

This isn't really an argument for or against abortion. The notion that children should be aborted on the off chance that they might be adopted by abusive people is, quite frankly, pretty fucking stupid. 

Boru

All I know is when I saw the numbers of Planned Parenthood's abortions, nearly 329,000 in 2017 all I could think of is; what if women were forced to not have abortions so they carried those 300,000 kids to term and since they obviously didn't want the kids they would go into the system. Another 300,000 children when so many are already suffering in it. Thank goodness for Planned Parenthood.

Adoption and Abortion are both acceptable choices.

I wonder though, how many kids these anti-choice people are willing to take in? Because my bet is it's 0. And if it's any, they probably want to take in a baby, preferably from a foreign country. Teens rarely get adopted, and go through foster hell. Outlawing abortion would further overcrowd the foster system without willing families to adopt them. And there are a LOT of bad families out there foster kids go into.

Oh and of course our same 'pro-life' people don't want gay couples adopting. Thus overcrowding the system even more (including three of my grandchildren who were adopted by my daughter and her wife)

(February 22, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Divinity Wrote: Adoption and Abortion are both acceptable choices.  

I wonder though, how many kids these anti-choice people are willing to take in?  Because my bet is it's 0.  And if it's any, they probably want to take in a baby, preferably from a foreign country.  Teens rarely get adopted, and go through foster hell.  Outlawing abortion would further overcrowd the foster system without willing families to adopt them.  And there are a LOT of bad families out there foster kids go into.  

Oh and of course our same 'pro-life' people don't want gay couples adopting.  Thus overcrowding the system even more (including three of my grandchildren who were adopted by my daughter and her wife)

Many of them talk the talk . But do not walk the walk .

(February 22, 2018 at 1:33 pm)Minimalist Wrote: No system is foolproof.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43159509

Quote:Arizona couple charged with locking up adopted children

Quote:A couple in Arizona have been charged with locking up their adopted children for up to 12 hours at a time with only a bucket for a toilet.
Benito and Carol Gutierrez are accused of keeping the four children, aged between six and 12, locked in rooms with no light or food.
Police were alerted when one boy left the house in Tucson.
He entered a shop to call a relative, but an employee called police because of concerns about the boy's appearance.

Hey, don't knock "adoption not abortion". It was a great success in Ireland.

They are so successful that only 6,000-8,000 Irish women have an abortion every year (from the link provided, the underestimate for NHS England & Wales, NHS Scotland is a separate body that doesn't collect similar statistics, is by their own estimate about 33% below actual figures, other foreign countries which women travel to don't provide any stats and the numbers for abortion pills are a gross underestimate).

See, forcing women to break the law to protect their lives, their health and their mental state clearly does work.