(February 24, 2018 at 3:57 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: No, it is pernicious evil that values the "common good" (as defined by the State) over individual liberties.

No. it is about not having all the benefits of a society heaped on a few individuals.

I see a little history lesson is in order.

There has always been socialist like ideas floated. The first time we see them written is by Plato in his republic.

But the modern understanding of socialism was created in reaction to the unbalanced world of Victorian Europe, where the masses toiled in terrible conditions purely for the benefit of the wealthy factory owners.

The idea was to share the profits of shared labour more equally amongst the workers so that the standard of living for the many was improved at the expense of the uber wealthy tyrants were using them mercilessly.

Examples of a socialist and beloved system is the NHS where we all pay what we can so that no one struggles with the burdon of health costs when ill. It works fantastically and I don't know how my family would have coped without it. 

So basically you are wrong at a fundamental level.

You may be getting socialism confused with Stalinist communism which is a common mistake among americans for some reason. Its almost as though your educational system routinely lies to you all!

Nope. Nothing you said undermines my position. The difference between communism and socialism is just a matter of degree not kind. You've just been drinking the State approved propaganda.

(February 24, 2018 at 4:20 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Nope. Nothing you said undermines my position. The difference between communism and socialism is just a matter of degree not kind. You've just been drinking the State approved propaganda.

And you seem to be spouting the incredibly inaccurate depictions of socialism that seem to be common in the US.
You are on the side of the oppressor not against them, and I suppose that is the clever part of their lies, they have convinced you that evil is good.

(February 24, 2018 at 4:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: they have convinced you that evil is good.

Just as religious teachers have convinced religious people that an evil god is a good god.

(February 24, 2018 at 4:36 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 4:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: they have convinced you that evil is good.

Just as religious teachers have convinced religious people that an evil god is a good god.

(February 24, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 6:18 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Socialism is a good thing.
It is working for the good of all rather than a few.

No, it is pernicious evil that values the "common good" (as defined by the State) over individual liberties.

Have you ever lived in a country ran by a socialist government?

You don't even need to answer that. It's clear the answer is No but Merkins like you love to rant about socialism as if you know what it actually is. It's like someone living in a dictatorship ranting about freedom because they have been told by the authorities that it's a bad thing.

Maybe start thinking for yourself?

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(February 24, 2018 at 4:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: You are on the side of the oppressor not against them, and I suppose that is the clever part of their lies, they have convinced you that evil is good.

How do you force half the population to cover up and wear restrictive clothing? You condition them to want it from an early age.

How do you stop the population from wanting things that benefit them? You condition them to believe that it's a bad thing and if they have never known any different then they'll accept it without question.

I bet Neo couldn't even begin to explain why he thinks that socialism is a bad thing.

(February 24, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 6:18 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Socialism is a good thing.
It is working for the good of all rather than a few.

No, it is pernicious evil that values the "common good" (as defined by the State) over individual liberties.

So there we have it. Chad Wooters admits that he is morally opposef to doing good for others.

(February 24, 2018 at 3:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 6:18 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Socialism is a good thing.
It is working for the good of all rather than a few.

No, it is pernicious evil that values the "common good" (as defined by the State) over individual liberties.

"Individual liberty" says I can get drunk, get in my car, and drive 90mph up and down the streets right after school lets out for the day.
"Common good" says I can't.

(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 7:03 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Atheists are not responsible for the most atrocities. 

The holocaust was catholics.(In the US it looks like the protestants want to start up round 2)
The holy wars of the early modern era catholic V protestant
Crusades Catholic V muslim.
The massacre of the cathars, slaughter of "witches" all religiously motivated.
The murder of the maya and Aztecs killing hundreds of millions catholics V whatever the native population believed.
etc etc etc.

Centuries of Christian killing, stamping out all who questioned their faith.

Did you ever wonder why Christians are "god fearing"?

I notice in order to make your point you literally have to span close to 1000 years, meanwhile Communist regimes are responsible for 149 million deaths in less than 80 years.

Yet somehow your message spans 6,000 years and is acceptable to you.

Double standard anyone?

Sorry, jesus the bastard is 2,000 years ago. Your 2,000 year old myth cannot trump recorded history.

If you are going to cling to the notion that a 1,000 year span is a disqualifier, then jesus is out of the running and god didn't even make the start line.

All you have is the unholy trinity of repulsive sky fairy, bastard son and creepy rapist. Good luck with that.

(February 25, 2018 at 12:06 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(February 24, 2018 at 11:25 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I notice in order to make your point you literally have to span close to 1000 years, meanwhile Communist regimes are responsible for 149 million deaths in less than 80 years.

Yet somehow your message spans 6,000 years and is acceptable to you.

Double standard anyone?

Sorry, jesus the bastard is 2,000 years ago. Your 2,000 year old myth cannot trump recorded history.

If you are going to cling to the notion that a 1,000 year span is a disqualifier, then jesus is out of the running and god didn't even make the start line.

All you have is the unholy trinity of repulsive sky fairy, bastard son and creepy rapist. Good luck with that.

Don't worry, I'm sure someone will be along to explain it to you soon.