(March 8, 2018 at 11:16 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: Do these accounts not mean anything to you???

Not a damn thing.

(March 8, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 11:16 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: Do these accounts not mean anything to you???

Not a damn thing.

I bet if you read them they would

(March 9, 2018 at 12:01 am)orthodox-man Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Not a damn thing.

I bet if you read them they would

Do you have any idea how many people have come to this forum preaching about NDE's?  And how many links about NDE's have been posted?  And some of us took a look at those links and did research into the fad.  I'm with the ones who have concluded, after some research, that no NDE report to date have proved any evidence of the existence of an afterlife.  You are just one more NDE-fan in a long list.

(March 9, 2018 at 12:01 am)orthodox-man Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Not a damn thing.

I bet if you read them they would

Although I think God is certainly capable of giving people visions according to His will, I personally don't buy the whole NDE idea. I think that once a person's soul is disembodied and passes into eternity, there's no coming back. That seems to be the basic teaching of Scripture on the subject. I also think the biological explanations for NDEs are a bit more convincing than a bundle of unusual accounts by people. I've personally seen a number of these interviews, and a number of them contradicted one another and did not seem to line up to Scripture.

(March 8, 2018 at 11:16 pm)orthodox-man Wrote: There are many more accounts like this all over the internet, I counted about 160 accounts I could find. They just tend to be so deep.

Of course they would. Depictions of Jesus are everywhere, in a culture that promotes vivid details of him, details that are translated to vivid concepts in our minds, differing according to our personal attitudes and experiences. Hell, the Bible has vivid depictions of Jesus (in Revelation).

And ... you only see the accounts that tend to be published online.

Quote:Many describe Jesus as having dark hair, while his pictures in the USA make him look almost blond, so the American paintings don't usually mesh with the description of him.

Have you not seen Jesus in some of the movies? Jesus of Nazareth, anyone?

Quote:Yes his appearance slightly differs from person to person, but there is an answer to that:

"Perhaps the greatest reason why Jesus is described in differing ways in NDEs can best be described by Margaret Tweddell who revealed that Jesus appears in a way that you can recognize him and/or just as you've always imagined you see him. He shows himself to us according to our own understanding. The reason for this is that souls can appear in any form they desire."

That's the best they can come up with? Read above to see what I see as the best explanation. It's all psychological, so of course depictions of Jesus are going to change with each person.

And on the contrary, if NDEs implied something supernatural happening, why would they differ at all when it comes to Jesus' form?

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(March 9, 2018 at 12:01 am)orthodox-man Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 11:34 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: Not a damn thing.

I bet if you read them they would

You really think that?

orthodox-man, it takes time to research this topic. I seen few NDE reports and it's impossible to know what those people saw(unless you use lie detector or hypnotize them) and did they added a lot of things to make a good enough story to "save" souls.

Seeing how believers like to lie on end day dates as well as reveled fake cases of NDE, I just don't trust religion anymore.

(March 9, 2018 at 1:30 am)purplepurpose Wrote: orthodox-man, it takes time to research this topic. I seen few NDE reports and it's impossible to know what those people saw(unless you use lie detector or hypnotize them) and did they added a lot of things to make a good enough story to "save" souls.

Seeing how believers like to lie on end day dates as well as reveled fake cases of NDE, I just don't trust religion anymore.

Precisely purplepurpose.  Believers in every religion have relied for thousands of years on threats and fantasy stories.  Without any sort of true global intelligence, these worked quite well.  Even today, social media teems with "true stories" posted by various stripes of preachers.  A (very religious) friend of mine posted one, and I responded with the studies that debunked the story that she posted. Her response was fury. She said "I don't care if it really happened or not, it's inspirational, so it's true."  

They are running on thousands of years of "whatever that Shaman tells you is true" and if you challenge that you will go to hell. A lot of religious folks are still working in parable mode - the story doesn't have to be true as long as it brings people to GOD.  

I'm so glad that we have entered into an era of fact-checking and peer-reviewed data.  -- Even if we have to wade through a swamp of "fake news" to get there as a society.

NDE's. Derp.

(March 8, 2018 at 7:11 pm)orthodox-man Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 6:23 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If the biggest proof (?) of anything is "jesus"...then that thing is DOA.  I doubt, however, that any other believer in any other afterlife would even begin to consider this statement informative.  Your "jesus" doesn't mean jack to their afterlives.

again, take a look online for Jesus in NDEs, there are tons. People are so convinced of it. There are way fewer people of other faiths seeing their deities. I thought I knew why, but it turns out other faiths expect to see their deities but don't. And why do some say Jesus looks nothing like traditional pics? It just proves it even more

No one doubts that people "see" things, I thought we went over this?  

(March 8, 2018 at 7:49 pm)orthodox-man Wrote:

(March 8, 2018 at 7:40 pm)Hammy Wrote: You'll always be afraid of hell as long as you believe in it.

How do you know it is fake? And why do ndes always seem to say you have to believe in jesus? No answers because no one can answer it

Again, we already went over this, you're asking a silly question.

(March 9, 2018 at 1:30 am)purplepurpose Wrote: orthodox-man, it takes time to research this topic. I seen few NDE reports and it's impossible to know what those people saw(unless you use lie detector or hypnotize them) and did they added a lot of things to make a good enough story to "save" souls.

Seeing how believers like to lie on end day dates as well as reveled fake cases of NDE, I just don't trust religion anymore.

You do not seem to be a careful reader.
If you would have paid attention to these NDEs you would have noted that religions are out in most cases.
Even religious people after their NDE change in favor of spirituality.
But I guess you wouldn't even know what is the difference between religion and spirituality.