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Apparently he did some physics as well.
Apparently he did some physics as well.
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Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76.
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 You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.  (March 16, 2018 at 1:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 16, 2018 at 9:33 am)Jehanne Wrote: Most philosophers are atheist: You seemed to imply that because Professor Hawking was not a "good philosopher", that his research in cosmology was not relevant to the atheist viewpoint. In short, Hawking said that his research led him to conclude that it was not necessary to believe that a god (or gods) created the Universe any more than it was necessary to believe that planets and stars move because there are angels (or other invisible beings) who are pushing them.  (March 16, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote:(March 16, 2018 at 1:44 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Are they making a claim about something? Or just giving their opinion? If the first, then the questions is why. If the second, then the question is why is this relevant. Like I said, philosophy wasn’t his strong suit. I find this to be fairly common, among those who publically scoff at philosophy. Quite the shock...I know! And if that is representive of his view of religion, then I would dare say he had a poor and naive grounding in that area as well.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther (March 16, 2018 at 9:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 16, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Jehanne Wrote: You seemed to imply that because Professor Hawking was not a "good philosopher", that his research in cosmology was not relevant to the atheist viewpoint. Angelology used to be a subject that scholars once took seriously. I have no doubt that Professor Hawking felt that he had better things to do with his precious time than sift through the minutia of theological writings, and for that, we can all be thankful.
Now your just blowing smoke...trying to cover up. Lol
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther  (March 17, 2018 at 12:28 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Now your just blowing smoke...trying to cover up. Lol I'm honestly curious, RR. In which part is the blowing of smoke occurring? The idea of angelology or the idea that Hawkins probably thought he had better thing to spend his time on?
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(March 17, 2018 at 1:04 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(March 17, 2018 at 12:28 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Now your just blowing smoke...trying to cover up. Lol I think that the rhetoric is the part that is blowing smoke. That Prof. Hawking was an atheist is an interesting anecdote. But much like the philosophers, it begs the question of why. If he doesn’t have some reason or evidence, but it is just opinion; then the question is why is it relevant. Now it seems that people are shying away, appearing to indicate that he may not have given it much thought. Which if it’s just an opinion, and a poorly formed one at that; does’nt help it much in the relevance factor.
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If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther RE: Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76.
March 17, 2018 at 1:21 am
(This post was last modified: March 17, 2018 at 1:24 am by The Grand Nudger.)
You have to learn the believer lingo Bastard. Things they disagree with are opinions, and things that conform to the articles of their faith are reasons. All expressions of atheism are opinions without reason and so any discussion of those expressions is blowing smoke to cover up this or that.
So, if some godless sinner like hawkins says his research left him without any reason to posit gods, it's only because he's bad at philosophy and was referring to his opinions.
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(March 17, 2018 at 1:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(March 17, 2018 at 1:04 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I'm honestly curious, RR. In which part is the blowing of smoke occurring? The idea of angelology or the idea that Hawkins probably thought he had better thing to spend his time on? Hawking studied the cosmos to a depth that you will likely never study anything in your life. He never managed to find any evidence for your gawd. Because of that, you want to denigrate one of the worlds foremost cosmologists because he didn't live up to your standards of philosophy? News flash, he wasn't a philosopher even if he waxed philosophical at times. ,
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RE: Stephen Hawking has died at the age of 76.
March 17, 2018 at 2:20 am
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(March 17, 2018 at 1:41 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(March 17, 2018 at 1:17 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think that the rhetoric is the part that is blowing smoke. That Prof. Hawking was an atheist is an interesting anecdote. But much like the philosophers, it begs the question of why. If he doesn’t have some reason or evidence, but it is just opinion; then the question is why is it relevant. Now it seems that people are shying away, appearing to indicate that he may not have given it much thought. Which if it’s just an opinion, and a poorly formed one at that; does’nt help it much in the relevance factor. I think that you are mistaken. I'm not trying to denigrate the man for any reason, let alone for his belief concerning God (although I do disagree with him). I was responding to others comments. The fact that he was very talented in theoretical physics doesn't mean anything in these other areas. Likewise not seeing him has some great philosopher to be heralded for hist metaphysical stances, doesn't take away from anything else. Quote:News flash, he wasn't a philosopher even if he waxed philosophical at times. I agree. And this was mostly all that I was saying. As I mentioned previously I have a lot of respect for Stephen Hawking, probably more so, for his character, then his knowledge.
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