I'm a cabbage? Is it because I'm Irish? Racist motherfuckers.

(April 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Cabbages lack belief in God. Ergo, cabbages are atheists.

Cabbages are neither conscience, nor intelligent.  That’s the worst analogy ever, lol.

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(April 3, 2018 at 2:33 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Makes sense!

Thanks for not calling me a selfish asshole like...some other people.  😉

Hey, no fair! I'm a selfish asshole too!

No but seriously, a good God and a heavenly heaven would be great.

Of course, I'd also love to be a porn star but it just ain't happening

(April 3, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(April 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Cabbages are neither conscience, nor intelligent.  That’s the worst analogy ever, lol.

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Thanks for not calling me a selfish asshole like...some other people.  😉

Hey, no fair! I'm a selfish asshole too!

No but seriously, a good God and a heavenly heaven would be great.

Of course, I'd also love to be a porn star but it just ain't happening

Don’t ever give up on your dreams, Hamz.  😉

(April 3, 2018 at 3:38 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 3, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Hammy Wrote: Hey, no fair! I'm a selfish asshole too!

No but seriously, a good God and a heavenly heaven would be great.

Of course, I'd also love to be a porn star but it just ain't happening

Don’t ever give up on your dreams, Hamz.  😉

Okay maybe it's not IMPOSSIBLE.

At least I reach the minimum size for porn star cock size. Lol.

Wait... did I write that out loud?

(April 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Cabbages lack belief in God. Ergo, cabbages are atheists.

A cabbage by any other name would smell just as horrible.

(April 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Cabbages lack belief in God. Ergo, cabbages are atheists.

Cabbages are neither conscience, nor intelligent.  That’s the worst analogy ever, lol.

Perhaps but it also works against the inane notion that everyone is "born atheist".

Cabbages could be called atheistic, but they are not atheists. The definition has another part to it, as Chad/Neo well knows; as I've pointed it out to him numerous times before. Yet here he is, more dishonest and more irrational than a cabbage.

(April 3, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(April 3, 2018 at 3:21 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Cabbages are neither conscience, nor intelligent.  That’s the worst analogy ever, lol.

Perhaps but it also works against the inane notion that everyone is "born atheist".

Well, they are, in a sense.

However I think we actually agree on the point you are trying to make. Somewhat. I think you take it a step further than me though, because you seem to think that someone who isn't a completely strong atheist, who is absolutely certain that ALL conceptions of God don't exist, then they're a pussy atheist or some shit. Is that a fair characterization of your view or have I oversimplified it?

I can happily assert "God doesn't exist" without resorting to this "I don't believe there is no God I just lack belief" nonsense.... but I can do the same with Santa Claus. And in neither case do I have to be absolutely certain.

Okay maybe I can about some conceptions of Santa Claus, as some involve him being able to do impossible things like visit every family home in the world at once... but I am the same way about some conceptions of God. SOME are impossible, but some aren't. But in both cases I am highly confident, I may not be absolutely certain but I can be extremely certain. And there's a difference between "God doesn't exist" and "I know God doesn't exist."

I don't think being unwilling to assert "I know God doesn't exist" would make me a pussy atheist, and I think it would be intellectually dishonest for me to do so. As I simply don't and can't know that about logically possible conceptions of God. But to say that I don't believe that there is no God, and that I merely lack belief, would be silly. Of course I believe there is no God, I just don't believe with absolute certainty. If I didn't believe there was no God at all, I couldn't even make conclusions about the improbability of God. People are born atheists, but only in an extremely weak sense of atheism, in which, indeed, cabbages and babies and rocks are also atheistic (by virtue of not being theistic). We're born without believing in God, but we aren't born believing that God is highly improbable.

(April 3, 2018 at 3:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: Cabbages could be called atheistic, but they are not atheists. The definition has another part to it, as Chad/Neo well knows; as I've pointed it out to him numerous times before. Yet here he is, more dishonest and more irrational than a cabbage.

That's an insult to the cabbage . 


Cabbage rolls

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Quote:Perhaps but it also works against the inane notion that everyone is "born atheist".

Nope because an infant still has a mind just not one yet capable of understand the god argument . This is totally different to something that can never understand said argument . And you still have not objected to the statement other then to ridicule it. And no we don't learn about god till someone tells you so their still a form of atheist .

(April 3, 2018 at 2:59 pm)Hammy Wrote: The absence of belief of adult atheists is nothing like the absence of belief of a cabbage. The absence of belief of a cabbage is like the absence of belief of a baby. Neither babies nor cabbages consciously address the God concept, actually think about it, and conclude it is nonsense. They just are nonbelievers by default. I'm an agnostic atheist myself but it irks me when so many people pretend they're like a cabbage or baby in their atheism, when they've clearly thought about God and considered it nonsense. It's not like they don't have an opinion on the improbability of it. Even people who have never believed in God, think about it at some point before considering that it is nonsense. We don't live in a vacuum.

Now you're starting to get it. Prospective believers and non-believers don't start in some intellectually isolated ignorance. People grow up with a proposition on the table, "Does God exist?" Someone either believes that the proposition is true, that it is false, or indeterminate. The degree of certainty makes no difference. Likely true is still true. Likely false is still false. Don't know / don't care is still maybe.