(April 10, 2018 at 9:04 am)alpha male Wrote:

(April 10, 2018 at 7:21 am)Whateverist Wrote: I personally would be in favor of killing a good many more.  I salute every woman who chooses to undergo the risks, discomfort and inconvenience of an abortion in order to put the brakes on the plague of humanity that is swamping the planet.

Wow...the ultimate I got mine  attitude.

No, just the opposite, "I got mine" is the attitude of the God character treating humans like his property.

He is just a character but as written mythology, he does not need your permission to do what he wants to you, you can beg sure, but ultimately you have no say in the final outcome. He doesn't have to give you a reason, and you cannot remove him from power.

Yep God owns you, you are his property, like a pet, or lab rat.

But even if you want to use your bullshit argument in this post, we are STILL not a theocracy so it does not matter one fuck what you think. 

If your argument is your God will judge, then you STILL have no say regardless because it would be his decision, not yours. When you stupidly try to argue what your fictional character will or wont do, you are trying to do his work for him. He can't be "all powerful" if he needs you to help him.

God is the ultimate "I got mine" mythology ever concocted in human history.

Now again, if you want to know what government policy based on religion looks like, spend some time in Saudi Arabia or Iran, where women have even less rights. Otherwise mind your own fucking business and if you truly believe God can handle himself, THEN stop trying to do his work for him.

@Alpha
More a criticism of the lifers in thread than myself.  I'd love to discuss the issue...you seem to be intent on registering your displeasure over and over again.

Simple solution for -that- problem.  Don't have an abortion.

Nope it not i got mine . In Fact it's your side that preaches i got mine . You believe your personal dissatisfaction with what a women does with her body . Should be state mandated law . That's an i got mine attitude. And worst still it's one that will fail to even achieve your goal .Respecting other people's bodies is not i got mine .

I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers. Not to mention more funding for education.

oh wait, they fucking wouldn't. Because they don't give two fucks about the fetus. They care about telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Which is why so many of those fucks are anti-protection fucks too.

(April 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers. Not to mention more funding for education.

oh wait, they fucking wouldn't. Because they don't give two fucks about the fetus. They care about telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Which is why so many of those fucks are anti-protection fucks too.

None.

The pro-birthers are also against, and actively removing, social services that those people need.

(April 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers.  Not to mention more funding for education.

oh wait, they fucking wouldn't.  Because they don't give two fucks about the fetus.  They care about telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body.  Which is why so many of those fucks are anti-protection fucks too.

Or at the VERY LEAST funding of birth control and education. 

Only stating that women should keep their legs closed. 

There is zero practicality and 100% judgment. It's horrifying.

(April 9, 2018 at 1:18 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(April 9, 2018 at 11:36 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: What are you talking about?  Just because I see a 20+ week abortion as a moral dilemma doesn’t mean that I’m placing expectations on when and how women should be having sex.  

What you don't get is that I feel the same way - just because I'm against abortion doesn't mean that I'm placing expectations on when and how women should be having sex.

You expect them to not have sex unless they are fully prepared to have a baby. Which we have already established is an unrealistic expectation as evidenced by the data.

Quote:Yet, you and others keep trying to push that narrative.

It’s the same narrative.

Quote:And I haven't preached abstinence only. You're pushing a false narrative.

‘Go ahead and have sex; that’s fine.  But, if you get pregnant, that’s on you. If you didn’t want a baby, then you shouldn’t have been having sex.”

That’s the same damn thing.  You’re just saying it post-event, which is as useless as saying it pre-event, lol.

Quote:You keep falling back on women's right to have sex.

No, no.  You were the one who said that the subject of sex was necessarily relevant when talking about pregnancy.  

Quote:Why do you think sex feels good in the first place? From an evolutionary point of view we're nothing more than machines that pass along our DNA.

Sure. But that doesn’t mean it’s necessary we attempt to do so every time we engage in sexual intercourse, lol.

Quote:I, OTOH, don’t think we should be quite so restrictive. I think the issue deserves more consideration than that.  That is my personal, individual moral judgement, and I understand that people disagree.  I’m open to dialogue on the subject.

Quote:With whom are you open to dialogue? You sure don't seem open to rational discussion with people who choose conception as the cutoff.

That’s not true at all.  If I gave you that impression it was the wrong one.  I am extremely, internally conflicted on the subject of abortion in general.  

Quote:What on earth are you taking about?!  It’s like you are incapable of talking about unwanted pregnancies without the notion of blame attached to them, lol. I am not slut-shaming a women for wanting an abortion, even if I believe that abortion would be immoral.  Why is this concept so hard for you to grasp?

Quote:Because that's exactly what you do with people who would be more restrictive than you.

No. Why are you having such a hard time with this?

Action A: woman has sex
Event B: Pregnancy happens 
Action/s C: Woman aks for an abortion, and it is performed

It doesn’t follow that making a personal, moral judgement about action/s C means that I am necessarily making a personal, moral judgement about action A.

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(April 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers.  Not to mention more funding for education.

oh wait, they fucking wouldn't.  Because they don't give two fucks about the fetus.  They care about telling a woman what she can and can't do with her body.  Which is why so many of those fucks are anti-protection fucks too.

QFT.

I’d like to hear from Atheist and Alpha here.

I love the guy who once chided me for the idea of constant consent being unrealistic now pushes an even less realistic idea.

(April 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers.  Not to mention more funding for education.

Pshhh!  Silly Divinity. Once again, that’s the woman’s fault!  It was her fault that she was such a slut to get pregnant, and now she’s too lazy to get not-poor for her kid! Maybe her mother should have had an abortion. 😇

(April 10, 2018 at 1:41 pm)Divinity Wrote: I wonder how much higher taxes anti-choice activists would be willing to pay to fund taking programs that provide food, housing, and assistance to all mothers.  

If we can't kill our babies, then society should have to pay for them.

That's not a very compelling argument.