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The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 12, 2018 at 3:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -and we recognize that it's regressive trash..closing laws and loopholes in that regard left, right, and center.  I was just reading a story about child bride tourism, ironically.  

We certainly don't assert that this is the final word of the lord of creation.

I am dead sure that the Quran is the constitution to end that mess.
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#22
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
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No thanks on the sharia. Yall can have all the fun with that.
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#23
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Yup, we have retrograde perverts here too...the difference being that our shitty laws can be and are being changed...what with not being the perfect and final word of almighty god.   Rolleyes

That's why people need to discuss and talk, just like this verse stated:

Quote:Sura 42, The Quran:
( 37 )   And those who avoid the major sins and immoralities, and when they are angry, they forgive,
( 38 )   And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend.
( 39 )   And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves,

Consultation and discussion to reach the solution, it's literally a religious sentence.
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#24
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
Oh ffs Atlass....lol. You;re consulting with me...djinn haven't provided one of these parties shit..and I don't need their magic books. Neither do you.

The plus side to finally ditching superstition..is that you'll get to ditch all the fucked up shit in magic book, too...and when someone asks you "says who?"...you can respond "says me!".

Till then, you'll have to refer to gods magic book..and who;s gonna listen to that guy, he told people to fuck slaves and little girls. lelz
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#25
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 12, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Oh ffs Atlass....lol.  You;re consulting with me...djinn haven't provided one of these parties shit..and I don't need their magic books.  Neither do you.  

The plus side to finally ditching superstition..is that you'll get to ditch all the fucked up shit in magic book, too...and when someone asks you "says who?"...you can respond "says me!".

Till then, you'll have to refer to gods magic book..and who;s gonna listen to that guy, he told people to fuck slaves and little girls.  lelz

The only demand I have, is for you to back your accusations against the Quran with a textual evidence from inside the book itself.
It can't be that hard.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 11, 2018 at 8:11 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Islam was accused of legalizing pedophilia by many parties.
But this verse from the Quran says:



Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 235 )   There is no blame upon you for that to which you [indirectly] allude concerning a proposal to women or for what you conceal within yourselves. Allah knows that you will have them in mind. But do not promise them secretly except for saying a proper saying. And do not determine to undertake a marriage contract until the decreed period reaches its end. And know that Allah knows what is within yourselves, so beware of Him. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Forbearing.

How could a child be a legal part of an official contract?
One rule of any contract is for both parts to be "past puberty", or to some nations "grown up enough". Islam is the first religion in my perspective that made a marriage contract mandatory; and since only people who passed puberty are allowed to be parts of contracts, Islam is the first religion to actually prohibits pedophilia.

Having sex without contract is considered "adultery":


Quote:Sura 25, The Quran:
( 68 )   And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty.
( 69 )   Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -
( 70 )   Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6. Im sure her dad was the one contract signing. So your whole argument is mute and stupid.
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#27
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 13, 2018 at 3:01 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:
(April 11, 2018 at 8:11 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Islam was accused of legalizing pedophilia by many parties.
But this verse from the Quran says:




How could a child be a legal part of an official contract?
One rule of any contract is for both parts to be "past puberty", or to some nations "grown up enough". Islam is the first religion in my perspective that made a marriage contract mandatory; and since only people who passed puberty are allowed to be parts of contracts, Islam is the first religion to actually prohibits pedophilia.

Having sex without contract is considered "adultery":

Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6. Im sure her dad was the one contract signing. So your whole argument is mute and stupid.

But you didn't reference that there are so many different views?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha#Age_at_marriage

Thus; I think your argument is the stupid one.
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#28
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
I think the point is that a nice Muslim would (hopefully) reject the idea of marrying children, whatever the Quran had to say about it.

The alternative is much more scary, that someone would base their morality on the Quran, whatever it said.

What actually happens is that Muslims convince themselves they are basing their morality on the Quran, while they're really just interpreting it in such a way that it happens to fit in with their own morality. This is the same with every religion of course.
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#29
RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
If a magic book from God is supposed to give us all the knowledge and morality we need, why is it a book? Why isn't it just imprinted in our brains by God, so we know what it actually means, and we know it's the right message without having to guess which magic book is the right one?

A very clumsy way of doing things.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
(April 13, 2018 at 2:56 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: The only demand I have, is for you to back your accusations against the Quran with a textual evidence from inside the book itself.
It can't be that hard.
Your magic book.  I'm not going to read it for you, and I don't give a shit about your demands.....lol.
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