(April 13, 2018 at 2:51 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: What is the proof that this is Assad's doing anyway? There a  videos of people being gassed, but we can't tell anything from that about who launched gas. In the chaos of Syria,  I doubt he's the only one with access to that. Also he has no motive to gas anyone, since he knows it will provoke the world.

There is no proof like the last time. The last time it was proven by people on the internet it was staged and faked. With technology now, you can geolocate and area fairly easily
and in those photos, you had people touching supposed victims of sarin gas being touched without any protective gear on.

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This is how the world ends.....this, is how the world ends, lol.

(April 13, 2018 at 10:03 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: For sure we should be trying to prevent gas attacks. I don't know how we do that without some form of war though. I don't generally believe in acting unilaterally unless there's a direct threat to the US. So definitely I would be for getting the UN involved.

For starters, we don't do anything none of the problems really in the middle east now are our problems we "won" the battle on terror we should leave.
Now for Syria, we can't do anything and if we do we provoke a war with Iran and Russia that is bad. So we should pull out of Syria and start getting out the middle east
and Africa and parts of Asia. Even if we do remove Assad it's not benefitting anyone to kill off a secular leader while a radical religious leader takes over. And let's not forget the 
fuck up with Libya we need to stop being war mongers we don't really help civilians, in the end, they get worse off when we do help.

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(April 13, 2018 at 11:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: .........................

This is how the world ends.....this, is how the world ends, lol.

I hope not i have a lot of anime i want to watch this summer lol. 

If we put "secular" on one side of the scales..and "gasses his own people" on the other...to me..it would seem like the latter would bottom the arms right out.  : shrugs :

That's what makes fighting anyone there a shitty choice. Back the police state dictator who uses chemical weapons but is fighting jihadists, or back the jihadists. If there's a way for the international community to stop the use of chemical weapons without backing either one that would be good but I don't know how that happens.

I would agree but in this case, he is better off staying in power rather than creating more people that hate us because well.....
Were not the most loved country and creating another power vacuum not a great idea and he is being supported by Russia and Iran.
That and were kind of forgetting Assad isn't the only one with chemical weapons other groups in that region could have done it.

(April 13, 2018 at 11:12 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: That's what makes fighting anyone there a shitty choice. Back the police state dictator who uses chemical weapons but is fighting jihadists, or back the jihadists. If there's a way for the international community to stop the use of chemical weapons without backing either one that would be good but I don't know how that happens.

Peacekeeping is how.  That's where you stop -both- sides from screwing with each other by the judicious application of your own body between them.

@Dyre
The despot who has chemical weapons and has been killing his own people is the one...killing his own people..with chemical weapons..supported by a power that actively blocked sanctions and investigations into...gassing his own people. I think that a baseline of reality is probably warranted in this discussion. Neither Iran nor Russia actually want a war. They need the pretext of a war to continue devaluing western influence and credibility. To them..anything that hurts everyone else is a gain for them.

(Iran being a special-ish case..since they have an immediate goal beyond the dissolution of the current world order...they need forward bases to hit isreal)

(April 13, 2018 at 10:59 am)dyresand Wrote:

(April 13, 2018 at 2:51 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: What is the proof that this is Assad's doing anyway? There a  videos of people being gassed, but we can't tell anything from that about who launched gas. In the chaos of Syria,  I doubt he's the only one with access to that. Also he has no motive to gas anyone, since he knows it will provoke the world.

There is no proof like the last time. The last time it was proven by people on the internet it was staged and faked. With technology now, you can geolocate and area fairly easily
and in those photos, you had people touching supposed victims of sarin gas being touched without any protective gear on.

Um...please tell me you’re joking right?  These are not “fake” dead children.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04...newday.cnn

It’s sick that you would even suggest such a thing.

It's not sick so much as the successful terminus of the preemptive disinformation campaign engaged in by the very people doing the gassing. Or, more accurately, supporting the people doing the gassing insomuch as it furthers their own agenda..until it doesn;t

At which time, expect Assad to find himself friendless....and the power vacuum will happen anyway..the only difference being all the intervening deaths by gassing and the certain knowledge that every interested and capable power is entirely full of shit when they claim to support people subjected to this kind of nonsense. Hat's off, from a cynical standpoint, to boxing the situation in so that most roads lead to ruin of one sort or another. With the only path to unqualified success hinging on the US (just as one example) not entirely fucking up whatever we try to do by means of our vast and bottomless well of intervention incompetence.

(April 13, 2018 at 12:05 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(April 13, 2018 at 10:59 am)dyresand Wrote: There is no proof like the last time. The last time it was proven by people on the internet it was staged and faked. With technology now, you can geolocate and area fairly easily
and in those photos, you had people touching supposed victims of sarin gas being touched without any protective gear on.

Um...please tell me you’re joking right?  These are not “fake” dead children.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2018/04...newday.cnn

It’s sick that you would even suggest such a thing.

Let me clarify i didn't mean to say fake i meant staged. I get people are upset about this but the point being is we can't do anything and should not do anything about it.
We just make things worse if we did intervene.