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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 9:12 am
You know, Allah could presumably have prohibited paedophilia altogether by making it never happen.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 9:21 am
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Yeah, but...... then he wouldn't have a pretext to pour molten lead into peoples anus in hell, or any number of other creative things mentioned in the torture pron passages of magic books.
I totally missed the boat yesterday with the hitchens b-day post..but, "Created sick, commanded to be well."
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 9:33 am
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Oh yeah, good point.
There may be evolutionary reasons/benefits for pedophilia if we're living in reality; but I would assume that Allah doesn't have to do things indirectly and so actively chose to include it, for some reason. Probably the anus thing.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 9:37 am
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IDK if I'd go so far as to say there's an evolutionary benefit. Seems more like a case of a misfire..perhaps equating youth with fertility..like we do, but in a way that most don't.
I guess there would be an advantage to being the first through the gates..as it were, considering it in complete isolation. Not sure how it all pans out when daddy beats your head in with a rock..but that would be a later development, I guess. meh.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 11:17 am
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Yeah, I don't know if it's in any way helpful or not (for the species, not for the individual). I just know it's often hard to see the big picture with some of these odd things.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 5:28 pm
(April 13, 2018 at 5:02 am)robvalue Wrote: If a magic book from God is supposed to give us all the knowledge and morality we need, why is it a book? Why isn't it just imprinted in our brains by God, so we know what it actually means, and we know it's the right message without having to guess which magic book is the right one?
A very clumsy way of doing things.
Because we ourselves must take the choice. We must pick the decision; pick the right answer.
It's a test, and tests can't have a sheet of answers:
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 7 ) And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 13, 2018 at 11:11 pm
This is the interpretation of Verse 65:4 by the contemporary of prophet Muhammad & his cousin Ibn Abbas;
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (Quran 65 4)
Some say that Muhammad married young Aisha for solely political purposes but he seems to have a taste for it too...
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5080 Book of Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 18
USC-MSA web (English) referenc : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 17
As for the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her, Sunnis attest her to be around 6/7 years old. The Shias on the other hand believe she was around 17 years old. The Sunnis call Aisha the Mother of the believers & the Shias call her a whore.
Wherein both will be those (maidens) restraining their glances upon their husbands, whom no man or jinn yatmithhunna (has opened their hymens with sexual intercourse) before them (Quran 55:56, Mushin)
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 14, 2018 at 12:55 am
(April 13, 2018 at 11:11 pm)yragnitup Wrote: This is the interpretation of Verse 65:4 by the contemporary of prophet Muhammad & his cousin Ibn Abbas;
(And for such of your women as despair of menstruation) because of old age, (if ye doubt) about their waiting period, (their period (of waiting) shall be three months) upon which another man asked: “O Messenger of Allah! What about the waiting period of those who do not have menstruation because they are too young?” (along with those who have it not) because of young age, their waiting period is three months. Another man asked: “what is the waiting period for those women who are pregnant?” (And for those with child) i.e. those who are pregnant, (their period) their waiting period (shall be till they bring forth their burden) their child. (And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah) and whoever fears Allah regarding what he commands him, (He maketh his course easy for him) He makes his matter easy; and it is also said this means: He will help him to worship Him well.
* تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs (Quran 65 4)
Some say that Muhammad married young Aisha for solely political purposes but he seems to have a taste for it too...
Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5080 Book of Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah)
In-book reference : Book 67, Hadith 18
USC-MSA web (English) referenc : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 17
As for the age of Aisha when Muhammad married her, Sunnis attest her to be around 6/7 years old. The Shias on the other hand believe she was around 17 years old. The Sunnis call Aisha the Mother of the believers & the Shias call her a whore.
I'm not discussing Sunni Islam. Neither am I discussing Shiite Islam.
I'm discussing the Quran. In other words; the Hadith and the sayings of Sunnies and Shiites are not my topic.
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 14, 2018 at 1:10 am
(April 13, 2018 at 5:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 13, 2018 at 5:02 am)robvalue Wrote: If a magic book from God is supposed to give us all the knowledge and morality we need, why is it a book? Why isn't it just imprinted in our brains by God, so we know what it actually means, and we know it's the right message without having to guess which magic book is the right one?
A very clumsy way of doing things.
Because we ourselves must take the choice. We must pick the decision; pick the right answer.
It's a test, and tests can't have a sheet of answers:
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 7 ) And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."
Sadly you have the wrong answer and will suffer for it unduly
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RE: The Quran and The Prohibiting of Pedophilia? Marriage Contracts
April 14, 2018 at 1:13 am
(April 13, 2018 at 5:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: (April 13, 2018 at 5:02 am)robvalue Wrote: If a magic book from God is supposed to give us all the knowledge and morality we need, why is it a book? Why isn't it just imprinted in our brains by God, so we know what it actually means, and we know it's the right message without having to guess which magic book is the right one?
A very clumsy way of doing things.
Because we ourselves must take the choice. We must pick the decision; pick the right answer.
It's a test, and tests can't have a sheet of answers:
Quote:Sura 11, The Quran:
( 7 ) And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days - and His Throne had been upon water - that He might test you as to which of you is best in deed. But if you say, "Indeed, you are resurrected after death," those who disbelieve will surely say, "This is not but obvious magic."
Oh right. So we're being experimented on. Allah is a dick, again. People who are lucky enough to be born into the right religion are indeed given the answer sheet, aren't they? That makes it, at the very least, a hugely unfair test.
How am I meant to pick the right book to tell me how to be moral if my standard of morality is meant to be the book I pick? In that regard, every answer is right, isn't it?
It's a bit like when Adam ate the snake, before Eve had told him he shouldn't do that.
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