(May 2, 2018 at 9:21 pm)FFaith Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:11 pm)Joods Wrote: That is not what I said. You took that completely out of context. Well done.

Sorry about that. She said FU was uncivil (and the other part I assumed), but the reality is that in some threads here people do call eachother asshole 20 posts in a row going back and forth with eachother, and that can get annoying. My fault for reading it, I know, and I could place people on ignore, but I just can't bring myself to do that.

Yeah, I, in no way was meaning that towards CL. I was speaking generally. And yes - I do agree with the shitposting back and forth. It can get redundant but I am just as guilty of calling other people names here as I've been called names. Po-tay-to. Po-tah-to, I guess. 

Ignoring doesn't work for everyone, I realize and I don't think it's really effective unless both people ignore each other.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:22 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well judging by the mods responses it looks like the civility subforum wont be happening lol. I'll try out the debate forum next time I have a good idea for a thread and see if it works out. Ill let you know so i can have you join it with me. Thanks!

I think I speak for most of the team when I say we're not against it, we're just skeptical.

We keep asking a question that doesn't get answered. We need a good definition for "civil" to work on.

You mean like guidelines?

Well, if you're asking me, here are some brain storm ideas:

- no name calling/ad hominem attacks

- no swearing/cussing people out

- if you are unsure of a person's position, ask for clarification rather than automatically assuming the worst

- participation should be geared towards honest discussion rather than for the purpose of mocking a view point

- avoid fluff (memes, gifs, random jokes/comments)

....I think overall, a good way to put it is this: imagine you are a college student in class and there is a classroom discussion going on, started by the professor, about a serious/controversial topic. Don't say anything on the thread that you wouldn't say in the classroom setting to your classmates and professor.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:25 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Imo, civil would mean:

No baiting
No name calling posters
Attack the topic not the posters
Obscenity is allowed just not “at” people


That’s how I would see it. I always thought these were general forum rules. Hmm.

I don't know about anyone else, but civility is already listed in the rules section.

Quote:General Forum Rules 

The following rules apply to the forums as a whole. These are our core rules which exist to keep discussions as civil as possible and protect our members.

bold mine. 

Seems to me that we are already supposed to be civil towards one another. If people would actually take the time to read the rules when they join, we probably wouldn't have half the problems we have. I'm assuming that if staff feel like we are out of line with any of the rules, they will step in and handle it. A separate sub-forum shouldn't be necessary to do what we're already supposed to be doing in the first place. 

The entire set of rules are here.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:25 pm)*Deidre* Wrote: Imo, civil would mean:

No baiting
No name calling posters
Attack the topic not the posters
Obscenity is allowed just not “at” people


That’s how I would see it. I always thought these were general forum rules. Hmm.

^and this.

Really, I think everyone knows what it means to be civil.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:32 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:25 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: How about pink? Red seems like "Danger! Stop! Desist! Blood!"

Pink is more the "gentle reminder," and it's what Mathilda said they use on TTA. (And they have their shit together over there.)

Yeah you are right, pink would be better.

Edit: or brown, yes lol

You want civil? You want blue. Studies have shown that reds and pinks enhance feelings of anger and aggression where blues (and to a lesser extent, greens) have a calming affect.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:32 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Sorry guys, I stopped reading after 2 pages but a solution may be to have it like A69.
Those that have proven to be civil when required can be granted privileges to enter.
Once you enter, you can comment and participate on many threads there.

This shields it from accidental shit posting and also from the public eye... What say...

I'm in! I've got all these new cleverly disguised derogatory terms I'd like to test out

I'd prefer it if everyone was allowed in of course, but this might be a good compromise. I'd support this approach.

But I love my Martyr complex.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Really, I think everyone knows what it means to be civil.

I think you are vastly underestimating what everybody 'knows'.

What is civil to me, I would imagine sometimes might not be civil to you.

I think the college classroom metaphor is a great stepping off point, however. I can see a mod discussion and vote happening with that guideline in mind.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:32 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Sorry guys, I stopped reading after 2 pages but a solution may be to have it like A69.
Those that have proven to be civil when required can be granted privileges to enter.
Once you enter, you can comment and participate on many threads there.

This shields it from accidental shit posting and also from the public eye... What say...

I'm in! I've got all these new cleverly disguised derogatory terms I'd like to test out

I'd prefer it if everyone was allowed in of course, but this might be a good compromise. I'd support this approach.

My biggest concern with this is that I think anyone who wants to have a productive conversation will do so in 'The Classroom' (I'm calling the new forum this for now ) and if it's like A69, new members, guests, and lurkers will not see the good conversations and might not ever join.

(May 2, 2018 at 9:55 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Really, I think everyone knows what it means to be civil.

I think you are vastly underestimating what everybody 'knows'.

What is civil to me, I would imagine sometimes might not be civil to you.

I think the college classroom metaphor is a great stepping off point, however. I can see a mod discussion and vote happening with that guideline in mind.

As much as someone here may claim to think calling someone a dickwad or whatever is civil, I highly doubt they'd actually put that in practice lol. As in, I don't think they'd say that to a fellow classmate's face during classroom discussion time, for example.

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(May 2, 2018 at 9:57 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 9:46 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'd prefer it if everyone was allowed in of course, but this might be a good compromise. I'd support this approach.

My biggest concern with this is that I think anyone who wants to have a productive conversation will do so in 'The Classroom' (I'm calling the new forum this for now ) and if it's like A69, new members, guests, and lurkers will not see the good conversations and might not ever join.

Well it can be like a69 in the sense that you need approval to join, but it can still be viewable to the public. How does that sound? I think the "needing approval" thing would really motivate people to be on their best behavior in there because they wouldn't wanna risk getting kicked out.

Meaning less work for the mods. It may work!