There have been debates between only atheists too. It doesn't make sense to include atheists when you look at the topic they are discussing. Atheists by definition do not have "a role as Christians on the site", so obviously we are excluded. CL compared it to a classroom setting, and college professors take some pretty good shots at religious belief, so I fail to see where the safe space idea comes from.

(May 4, 2018 at 1:03 pm)Joods Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 12:43 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So I went back and reread a few of my posts here where I explain my intention for this subsection. 

In case there is any misunderstanding, I wanted to clarify that when I said this: 

"The premise is to encourage honest discussion of differing view points." 

....What I meant was discussion between people with differing view points from each other. Example: theists and atheists discuss/debate with each other about religious related topics, liberals and conservatives discuss/debate with each other about politically related topics, etc. 

I did not mean people with the same minority viewpoints would just get together and talk among themselves (example: only theists talking to theists, only conservatives talking to conservatives, only people of X minority opinion talking to people with that same opinion, etc). That can happen too of course, but isn't my purpose for proposing this idea. Discussion with people who have different opinions/beliefs from myself is the whole reason why I'm on AF, so yeah.    

Since the term "safe space" and "snow flake" kept being thrown around a lot, I thought maybe I was not making myself clear enough in what I had in mind. Hopefully the above clarification helps dispel those accusations lol.

bold mine.

But this is exactly what has happened. There is now a debate going on that has specifically excluded atheists. On an Atheist forum no less. 

Do you see why myself and others were so against this in the first place?

That is a discussion that Neo started up in the debate section and is completely independent from what I am proposing here. What I am proposing here is a new subforum where any interested party is welcome to participate. Which is precisely the opposite of the debate subforum where it is limited to only a select number of people chosen. This is exactly why I was saying the debate section is not what I'm looking for when you and others recommended I just use that instead lol. Because I want anyone to be able to pop in and participate if they want to.

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(May 1, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: This would also be different from the debate section, as that section is for formal one on one debate, and not for simple discussion among various people who choose to pop in and participate.     

(May 1, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And no, what im suggesting here is not a debate forum.

(May 2, 2018 at 10:19 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Also, I didn't want anyone to be "excluded" from that section. My intention is for it to be an open section where anyone can pop in if they wish, so long as they were there for honest contribution to the discussion. This is why I'm saying the debate section is not the same thing as what I'm suggesting. 

(May 2, 2018 at 8:41 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 8:26 pm)Joods Wrote: I didn't say you were complaining. However, it is redundant to start yet another sub-forum when we already have a sub-forum for the purpose that you are stating. You want to be able to have civil discussion without all of the fluff, take it to the debate section because that's precisely what you are asking for: A debate. 

In this whole time of discussion, have you actually ventured in there to read the rules and what it's about yet? If not, I suggest you take a peek. It's not a rigid as you think and you can implement many of the things you are asking for in a sub-forum.

I guess my hangup with the debate section is that I have to establish ahead of time who I want to have on there, and no one else can freely jump in to join the discussion after the fact lol. I want everyone to have the chance to participate, if they would like.

If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

It's just frustrating being accused of needing a safe space when I am a theist on an atheist forum, which is the opposite of a safe space for me lol. If a safe space is what I was after, I would go to a theist forum. Simple. What I am after is productive honest discussion with people who have different opinions from myself. It is the reason why I'm on AF, and it is my intention for the subforum. I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

(May 4, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

It's pretty simple - they're petty assholes.

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(May 4, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

You can swear on every forum here. Why would one without swearing bother you?

(May 4, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

You're goddamned right!  Fuck that.

I'm also confused Joods, because it was your idea to use the debate section instead lol. I'm the one who was saying I don't want to use the debate section because I don't want it to exclude anyone.

(May 4, 2018 at 1:42 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

You can swear on every forum here. Why would one without swearing bother you?

Shell has her own reasons but for me it would just be so un-natural as to be an abomination.

(May 4, 2018 at 1:42 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(May 4, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'm not understanding why people are insisting that I'm after a safe space lol.

It's pretty simple - they're petty assholes.  

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(May 4, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Shell B Wrote: If it has a no-swearing rule, I will definitely call it a safe space where prudes can hide from bad language. Other than that, I don't see it as a safe space.

You can swear on every forum here. Why would one without swearing bother you?

Because fuck you is why.

Columnar cactus kind of fucking I assume?