For those who believe "Expelled" was a serious, legitimate documentary:

In the film, Ben Stein portrays Richard Dawkins as a believer of intelligent design through guided panspermia. It is a bald faced lie:





Why in the holy fuck should we believe anything else Stein has to say if he's going to twist the words of others this way?!?

(May 13, 2018 at 10:01 am)possibletarian Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 2:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: There are serious scientists and great scientist that believe in a higher power in all fields.  More scientists believe in a higher power than there are atheistic scientists.  Some of the best scientists of all time believed in a higher power and in God and Newton said it actually helped him in his scientific field.

Quote:More scientist believe in a higher power than don't.

Most scientists at one time were christians (at least nominally), they lived in a world dominated by christianity, they had to be to get an education.

However I find your ability to selectively miss use information staggering, why would belief in a higher power mean that people support I.D. nonsense, they simply don't, the scientific community you mention above simply does not support your faith based assumptions. In fact they oppose it. You quote a a single source from one of the most religious country's in the world, lets see what the very same organisation says about your precious I.D.

Quote:The American Association for the Advancement of Science is the world's largest general scientific society. The AAAS serves some 262 affiliated societies and academies of science, serving 10 million individuals.

   A 2002 statement states: "[T]he lack of scientific warrant for so-called 'intelligent design theory' makes it improper to include as a part of science education."[1]...

But there is no significant controversy within the scientific community about the validity of the theory of evolution. The current controversy surrounding the teaching of evolution is not a scientific one."[2]

Evolution and Intelligent Design: Is intelligent design a scientific alternative to contemporary evolutionary theory? No. Intelligent design proponents may use the language of science, but they do not use its methodology. They have yet to propose meaningful tests for their claims, there are no reports of current research on these hypotheses at relevant scientific society meetings, and there is no body of research on these hypotheses published in relevant scientific journals. So, intelligent design has not been demonstrated to be a scientific theory.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc...ent_design

I also find it odd that you claim bias, and yet at the same time claim that the scientific community has a 'theistic' majority. There is a very good reason I.D. proponents are laughed at, because they are trying to include faith based assumptions into science.

Also many bodies are against the I.D. nonsense.

Quote:Many other scientific organizations are opposed to teaching intelligent design as a science-based alternative to evolution, including:
New Orleans Geological Society
New York Academy of Sciences
Ohio Academy of Science
Ohio Math and Science Coalition
Oklahoma Academy of Sciences
Sigma Xi, Louisiana State University Chapter, Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Society for Amateur Scientists
Society for Integrative and Comparative Biology
Society for Neuroscience
Society for Organic Petrology
Society for the Study of Evolution
Society of Physics Students
Society of Systematic Biologists
Society of Vertebrate Paleontology
Southern Anthropological Society
Virginia Academy of Science
West Virginia Academy of Science
American Association of Physical Anthropologists
American Geophysical Union
American Society of Biological Chemists
American Psychological Association
American Physical Society
American Society of Parasitologists
Association for Women Geoscientists
Australian Academy of Science
California Academy of Sciences
Ecological Society of America
Genetics Society of America
Geological Society of America
Georgia Academy of Science
History of Science Society
Iowa Academy of Science
Kentucky Paleontological Society
Louisiana Academy of Sciences
National Academy of Sciences
North American Benthological Society
North Carolina Academy of Science

https://www.aclu.org/other/what-scientif...ent-design

Seriously, against what you say is irrefutable evidence, in a scientific community you say is dominated by people who believe in a higher power ?  Many of them are based in a country where you claim only 3% are atheists at yet at the same time shout bias.

You really are at best a conspiracy nut

Watch the movie exposed.  The scientific community systematically fights against ID.  There are more scientists that believe in a higher power than there are atheist scientists as well in the US.  Not every scientist is involved in the systemic battle against ID and some I am sure do even know what ID is.  Many are not biochemists or biologists or cosmologists,...

No one is going to watch your conspiracy films. They are riddled with pure stupidity. Much like your brain.

(May 13, 2018 at 10:34 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 10:25 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Maybe if we quit feeding it, it will go away.

It's only ever going to think it's won. It thinks it won on page 1. It will just create multiple new threads saying the same thing. This troll is a spammer.

I hope this thread doesn't show the moral behavior of a typical atheist.  That would be sad, indeed.  From ridicule tactics to straw man debate tactics.  To using the word creatard which mocks retards to referring to other humans as an it.  I am glad I am not part of this 3 percent world view in America.

(May 13, 2018 at 1:08 pm)Joods Wrote: No one is going to watch your conspiracy films. They are riddled with pure stupidity. Much like your brain.

Asshat wants us to watch a full length feature film but I'm willing to bet he ignores the two-minute clip I posted that exposes Stein as the fraud he is.

(May 13, 2018 at 11:00 am)Mathilda Wrote: Question for CDF47.

Is each snowflake in a storm designed by your god? How does he decide the shape of each one? Or do they grow by undirected blind processes? What about a snowflake from a snow machine?

Everything in the universe is designed by the Creator because the Big Bang and the fine-tuning of the universe shows us the entire universe is designed.  However, the snowflake is not living matter so it only includes Shannon information.  It is not a smart system like living systems that include RNA and DNA.

For you betting folks.

CDF40 joined this forum on May 4th.    How long will it take CDF40 to reach posting freak status by repeatedly posting exactly one thing over and over and over.

---

(May 12, 2018 at 11:47 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 12, 2018 at 11:23 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Have you any other tricks besides repeating the same thing over and over again that has demonstrated time and again it totally lack the power to persuade your audience?

You might find your debate practice is dangerously close to being diagonistic of insanity.

The same can be said of the atheists in this thread.

Uh, no.  We are happy to change the subject.  We talk about other things, even with theists who in this respect at least is better than you. We are happy to do this topic changing thing so as to not waste our lives with the futility of teaching reality to theists even with you.

(May 13, 2018 at 1:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 5:51 am)Mathilda Wrote: How many times do we have to tell you that atheists generally don't believe this.

I have not used a straw man argument once. 

Unbelievable. You actually said this with the strawman you made quoted in the very post. I shall repeat it for you.

(May 13, 2018 at 12:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the atheist that believe in magical blind undirect processes created everything.

Everyone has said to you that they do not believe this yet you persist in telling them that they do. How is this is not a strawman argument from you?

---

(May 13, 2018 at 1:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 11:00 am)Mathilda Wrote: Is each snowflake in a storm designed by your god? How does he decide the shape of each one? Or do they grow by undirected blind processes? What about a snowflake from a snow machine?

Everything in the universe is designed by the Creator because the Big Bang and the fine-tuning of the universe shows us the entire universe is designed. 

So you believe that your god is actively designing each individual snowflake as it forms over time? That includes snowflakes that are created by a snow-machine? How does your god decide what shape each snowflake should be?

(May 13, 2018 at 1:44 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(May 13, 2018 at 1:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I have not used a straw man argument once. 

Unbelievable. You actually said this with the strawman you made quoted in the very post. I shall repeat it for you.

(May 13, 2018 at 12:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is the atheist that believe in magical blind undirect processes created everything.

Everyone has said to you that they do not believe this yet you persist in telling them that they do. How is this is not a strawman argument from you?

---

(May 13, 2018 at 1:12 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Everything in the universe is designed by the Creator because the Big Bang and the fine-tuning of the universe shows us the entire universe is designed. 

So you believe that your god is actively designing each individual snowflake as it forms over time? That includes snowflakes that are created by a snow-machine? How does your god decide what shape each snowflake should be?

That was not a straw man argument.

The God of the Bible I believe in is all powerful.  I believe He built the universe and uses the laws of the universe to control it.  I believe He has providence over the design though and can control it at His will. We are going off topic though here. This thread is about how DNA proves a Creator exists.