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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:30 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:18 am)CDF47 Wrote:
Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
You won;t get to any point like that until you dial it all the way back to the margins of the rna world hypothesis where there are no machines..just chemistry.
Just for clarity...you think there must be alot of something that you have no examples of... because you think there must be alot of something you have no examples of?
So we found 3 variants using parts from the flagellum. What is the fourth machine? The one under the pump is irreducibly complex if there is not a fourth machine. Not all the way down to the RNA world.
Below is a list of some molecular machines. Some are irreducibly complex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am
Quote:Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am
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Minor aside, but I;ve only ever seen one ID'er snap out of it on the boards. It was kind of sad as we watched the realization that he;d been too credulous for his own good play out in text form, and then the bastard left shortly afterwards, lol.
(May 15, 2018 at 12:30 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: You won;t get to any point like that until you dial it all the way back to the margins of the rna world hypothesis where there are no machines..just chemistry.
Just for clarity...you think there must be alot of something that you have no examples of... because you think there must be alot of something you have no examples of?
So we found 3 variants using parts from the flagellum. What is the fourth machine? The one under the pump is irreducibly complex if there is not a fourth machine. Not all the way down to the RNA world.
Below is a list of some molecular machines. Some are irreducibly complex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine Which ones?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:18 am)CDF47 Wrote:
Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
You won;t get to any point like that until you dial it all the way back to the margins of the rna world hypothesis where there are no machines..just chemistry.
Just for clarity...you think there must be alot of something that you have no examples of... because you think there must be alot of something you have no examples of?
@Strawman...lol....I wish it were, but it's not.
That is a straw man.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:32 am
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Quote:So we found 3 variants using parts from the flagellum. What is the fourth machine? The one under the pump is irreducibly complex if there is not a fourth machine. Not all the way down to the RNA world.
That statement makes no sense
Quote:Below is a list of some molecular machines. Some are irreducibly comple
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_mac
[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine][/url]Not a single one
Quote:That is a straw man.
Nope
Your essentially saying if it can't be explained. God exists .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:34 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:I won't ignore it. There is only so much I can read though. Sometimes articles 40 pages long are posted for me to read. I ignore those. Maybe read the conclusion.
Yes you will as your ID overlords have
Quote:What is below the pump. It was already listed in the post above so don't worry about it.
Again what ?
Quote:No, I won't if it is true.
Yes you will .
Quote:Yes, I am. I already am reading about that third machine.
And when it does not go you way out comes conspiracies
Quote:I am sure there are some. See post above.
You gave no examples
Quote:No, it's not
Yes it is your whole case is an argument for ignorance and a false dilemma. And a lack of imagination .
I said I wouldn't ignore it but whatever.
What machine is below the pump, like the pump (Type III Transport System) is below the flagellum?
Agree to disagree.
It depends if there is a conspiracy.
Not about the examples. See the post above that one.
Agree to disagree.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:35 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am)Khemikal Wrote: Minor aside, but I;ve only ever seen one ID'er snap out of it on the boards. It was kind of sad as we watched the realization that he;d been too credulous for his own good play out in text form, and then the bastard left shortly afterwards, lol.
(May 15, 2018 at 12:30 am)CDF47 Wrote: So we found 3 variants using parts from the flagellum. What is the fourth machine? The one under the pump is irreducibly complex if there is not a fourth machine. Not all the way down to the RNA world.
Below is a list of some molecular machines. Some are irreducibly complex:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine Which ones? None or all depending on what he can get away with .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:35 am
(May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:36 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:31 am)CDF47 Wrote: (May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Khemikal Wrote: You won;t get to any point like that until you dial it all the way back to the margins of the rna world hypothesis where there are no machines..just chemistry.
Just for clarity...you think there must be alot of something that you have no examples of... because you think there must be alot of something you have no examples of?
@Strawman...lol....I wish it were, but it's not.
That is a straw man. -and now you;ve been wrong twice in as many posts about logical fallacies. Like I said..wrong about literally everything. I wonder if the acknowledgement and correction thread will be 200 pages long, too?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:37 am
Quote:I said I wouldn't ignore it but whatever.
I don't believe you
Quote:What machine is below the pump, like the pump (Type III Transport System) is below the flagellum?
This statement still does not make sense
Quote:Agree to disagree.
Nope
Quote:It depends if there is a conspiracy.
No you'll make one up to preserve your beliefs
Quote:Not about the examples. See the post above that one.
Did it changes little.
Quote:Agree to disagree.
Nope
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