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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:02 pm
(May 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: I am part of the other 95% of humanity that is not american nor lives in the US. So you can shove that nonsense. I am a citizen AND resident of the first country in the world to ratify SSM by popular vote. A matter of which I am proud.
When my eldest dropped the bombshell and finally came out as trans, I can quote my response...
You know, the kind of thing your god is unable to do.
I understand. I told you my take on it. I don't hold any grudges against you or your son personally.
Doesn't matter, you still believe both of us are deserving of judgment and summary execution. That is how scummy your unfounded faith is.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm
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(May 16, 2018 at 1:57 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 1:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I know what you are saying and I disagree to a high degree. Your disagreement is irrelevant. Both hypotheses failed to pass the most basic test. This isn;t up for debate. It's a simple yes/no on/off situation.
Quote:There is definitely highly complex and specific information inside DNA which could only come from a mind.
This is demonstrably untrue even if god -did- create the universe..again.
Quote:It was created as I stated in my OP.
You believe it was created, I know..but you have no idea how and ID offers no insight whatsoever on that count.
Quote:The universe is designed because it is fine-tuned and super-symmetrical.
Batshit claims, but irrellevent to why and how ID fails....so I don;t care.
Quote:The universe had a beginning because of the Big Bang Theory.
More batshit claims, also irrelevant to how ID fails..again I don;t care.
Quote:I still believe irreducible complexity does exist in molecular machines too.
Your beliefs have no effect on the fact of the matter.
Quote:The information in DNA, the molecular machines in and on the cells, and the fine-tuned universe which had a beginning are my strongest points.
That's unfortunate, since both are failed hypotheses. It would seem to me that your faith in god should be your strongest point...but your faith in god is looking more and more like faith in failed hypotheses. That;s poorly misinformed scientism, not christianity. Maybe -you- need to repent?
If your god created the universe, and life, he did it some other way. Your two "strongest points" fail to describe however that was done or however we might determine that it was done. If you positively -insist- that your god is ID God..you have disproven your god.
Do you understand?
My faith in God is first and foremost. That faith was given to me by Him at a very early age before I understood any science. He strengthened my faith with the information in DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang, the body plan of animals and humans,...........
No, my God is the Christian God of the Bible that gave me the ability to understand science to help strengthen my faith. That much I do understand.
(May 16, 2018 at 2:02 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 2:00 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I understand. I told you my take on it. I don't hold any grudges against you or your son personally.
Doesn't matter, you still believe both of us are deserving of judgment and summary execution. That is how scummy your unfounded faith is.
The laws of your land allow homosexuality and the Lord allowed that government to be in power so I do not feel your son should be killed.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Religious Faith will always be man's downfall and preeminent obstacle to reasonable knowledge.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:06 pm
(May 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My faith in God is first and foremost. That faith was given to me by Him at a very early age before I understood any science. He strengthened my faith with the information in DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang, the body plan of animals and humans,...........
No, my God is the Christian God of the Bible that gave me the ability to understand science to help strengthen my faith. That much I do understand.
That would be the god you accept that wants you to kill me and my family, right?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:07 pm
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(May 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My faith in God is first and foremost. That faith was given to me by Him at a very early age before I understood any science. He strengthened my faith with the information in DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang, the body plan of animals and humans,........... You faith in god is clearly subordinate to your faith in ID and psuedo-scientism. You;d prefer psuedo-scientism were the true proposition over the existence of your god.
Quote:No, my God is the Christian God of the Bible that gave me the ability to understand science to help strengthen my faith. That much I do understand.
You;ve disproven your god again.
The god that made flagellum irreducibly complex doesn;t exist..because they aren;t irreducibly complex.
The god who granted you the ability to understand science..similarly, doesn;t exist...because you don;t understand science.
Both are exceedingly specific and demonstrably false claims.
Congrats, is that what you came here to do?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(May 16, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Kit Wrote: Religious Faith will always be man's downfall and preeminent obstacle to reasonable knowledge.
I disagree. It should be the moral fiber of a man and woman.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(May 16, 2018 at 12:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 12:33 pm)Mathilda Wrote: OK, so the fetus designed to die before it is born because your god is punishing the parents because of what their ancestors did.
I've asked this before but you don't answer.
Does a fetus or baby have free will?
No, what they did or possibly what their ancestors did.
I do not believe a fetus or baby has free will as they are being formed in the womb by the Lord.
So to recap. Your loving god wanted humans to love him of their own free will. So he designed them to have free will and to demonstrate their love for him, he stuck two of them in a garden with an apple designed to make them decay and die and told them not to eat it. Not surprisingly they eventually ate it.
He now punishes all their descendants at will by deliberately giving birth defects and miscarriages despite the fetus not having any free will and regardless of whether the parents are Christian or not, because of Adam and Eve's decision.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(May 16, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My faith in God is first and foremost. That faith was given to me by Him at a very early age before I understood any science. He strengthened my faith with the information in DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang, the body plan of animals and humans,...........
No, my God is the Christian God of the Bible that gave me the ability to understand science to help strengthen my faith. That much I do understand.
That would be the god you accept that wants you to kill me and my family, right?
Wrong, I already told you my God does not want me to kill you and your family.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Right, he;ll do it himself..and then torture them forever. No biggie. Scientifically illiterate -and- morally bankrupt. What a heady mix.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 16, 2018 at 2:12 pm
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(May 16, 2018 at 2:07 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 2:03 pm)CDF47 Wrote: My faith in God is first and foremost. That faith was given to me by Him at a very early age before I understood any science. He strengthened my faith with the information in DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe, the Big Bang, the body plan of animals and humans,........... You faith in god is clearly subordinate to your faith in ID and psuedo-scientism. You;d prefer psuedo-scientism were the true proposition over the existence of your god.
Quote:No, my God is the Christian God of the Bible that gave me the ability to understand science to help strengthen my faith. That much I do understand.
You;ve disproven your god again.
The god that made flagellum irreducibly complex doesn;t exist..because they aren;t irreducibly complex.
The god who granted you the ability to understand science..similarly, doesn;t exist...because you don;t undestand science.
Both are exceedingly specific and demonstrably false claims.
Congrats, is that what you came here to do?
Not true.
I disagree. I provided a strong proof in the existence of a Creator and you just try to blow it off because you don't understand it or because you are blind to it or because of your own pride. For some reason, you cannot see the truth.
(May 16, 2018 at 2:09 pm)Mathilda Wrote: (May 16, 2018 at 12:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, what they did or possibly what their ancestors did.
I do not believe a fetus or baby has free will as they are being formed in the womb by the Lord.
So to recap. Your loving god wanted humans to love him of their own free will. So he designed them to have free will and to demonstrate their love for him, he stuck two of them in a garden with an apple designed to make them decay and die and told them not to eat it. Not surprisingly they eventually ate it.
He now punishes all their descendants at will by deliberately giving birth defects and miscarriages despite the fetus not having any free will and regardless of whether the parents are Christian or not, because of Adam and Eve's decision.
You put a spin on things. They were to multiply either in Eden or after the fall. They fell and now we have original sin. This also ties into the war in heaven. Judgment is coming to humans and the devil and his followers have already been judged. The Bible says death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire as the second death. That may mean the destruction of all evil. Then this will all be over and the righteous will be saved in heaven. This is all just temporary.
(May 16, 2018 at 2:11 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Right, he;ll do it himself..and then torture them forever. No biggie. Scientifically illiterate -and- morally bankrupt. What a heady mix.
That's your opinion. Hell may possibly be destroyed by the way. The Bible talks about the destruction of the wicked frequently and mentions that death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire as the second death. That may be the end of this universe, death, hell, and evil.
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