That's bollocks. If muslim countries are oppressive to non muslims that does not justify being oppressive towards them .That's kindergarten logic .

(May 20, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: That's bollocks. If muslim countries are oppressive to non muslims that does not justify being oppressive towards them .That's kindergarten logic .

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Everyone is a lot nicer when there's reciprocity.

Look, if she's that ugly that she has to wear a veil I wouldn't want her in my restaurant either.  What if the veil slipped off?  Other people are trying to eat, man.

(May 20, 2018 at 6:57 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: No, Atlas is right (I had to look it up, not being an authority on the subject) - women covering up regards only the body and the hair.  Some women voluntarily cover the face, but there is nothing in Islam requiring them to do so. Iran and (I think) Saudi Arabia require the veil, but that's a political position, not a religious one.

Boru

It's very rarely voluntary, but you're right islam has little to do with it.

The practise is tribal in a lot of areas where islam dominqtes, and comes from the idea that women are things to be owned (which historically was very common, it's only fairly recent that most christian denominations accepted married women having ideas different to their husbands).

It's discrimination. Plain and simple.

(May 20, 2018 at 9:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Look, if she's that ugly that she has to wear a veil I wouldn't want her in my restaurant either.  What if the veil slipped off?  Other people are trying to eat, man.

How in the hell can someone have a meal with a sack over her head?  This religious/tribal BS has got to go.  It's like when Judah screwed Tamar without knowing who she was because she was wearing a sack over her body.  This is the 21st Century A.D., not 3000 B.C.  It's time for everyone to get their head out of their asses and live in the modern world or else go back to their tents in the desert.

(May 20, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: That's bollocks. If muslim countries are oppressive to non muslims that does not justify being oppressive towards them .That's kindergarten logic .

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Everyone is a lot nicer when there's reciprocity.

A primitive,childish  a and tribalistic mindset and one i have no use for .

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(May 21, 2018 at 4:52 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 9:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Look, if she's that ugly that she has to wear a veil I wouldn't want her in my restaurant either.  What if the veil slipped off?  Other people are trying to eat, man.

How in the hell can someone have a meal with a sack over her head?  This religious/tribal BS has got to go.  It's like when Judah screwed Tamar without knowing who she was because she was wearing a sack over her body.  This is the 21st Century A.D., not 3000 B.C.  It's time for everyone to get their head out of their asses and live in the modern world or else go back to their tents in the desert.

How about no. How about she will wear whatever the fuck she wants .

(May 20, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 7:17 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: That's bollocks. If muslim countries are oppressive to non muslims that does not justify being oppressive towards them .That's kindergarten logic .

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Everyone is a lot nicer when there's reciprocity.

Finding validity in another cultures mores and practices and emulating them shouldn't trigger an automatic moralistic veto . . . .

(May 21, 2018 at 9:10 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(May 20, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Everyone is a lot nicer when there's reciprocity.

A primitive,childish  a and tribalistic mindset and one i have no use for .

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(May 21, 2018 at 4:52 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: How in the hell can someone have a meal with a sack over her head?  This religious/tribal BS has got to go.  It's like when Judah screwed Tamar without knowing who she was because she was wearing a sack over her body.  This is the 21st Century A.D., not 3000 B.C.  It's time for everyone to get their head out of their asses and live in the modern world or else go back to their tents in the desert.

How about no. How about she will wear whatever the fuck she wants .

See what happens to a western woman if she wears what she wants in a backward Islamic country (all of them).  Reciporcity is the way to go.