"Arab/wearing veil?we have no table for you...". Paris racist restaurant

[Amarok]

See what happens to a western woman if she wears what she wants in a backward Islamic country (all of them).  Reciporcity is the way to go.

Same stupid logic . Islamic countries don't need to change for us to treat people in our own countries properly.  This is a really dumb line of reason .

[Wyrd of Gawd]

See what happens to a western woman if she wears what she wants in a backward Islamic country (all of them).  Reciporcity is the way to go.

Same stupid logic . Islamic countries don't need to change for us to treat people in our own countries properly.  This is a really dumb line of reason .

IMO you're trying to sell a load of propaganda that muslims should get special treatment at the expense of everyone else.  

If a woman from the South Pacific wanted to wear a grass skirt in Omaha would she be allowed to do it?  What about people from other parts of the world?  Is it acceptable for them to wear what their ancestors wore 1,400 years ago in New York City and Boston?  You'll have a fit if someone tried to do that.  

If you don't want the second wrong then don't do the first one.  Reciprocity is the way to go.  If we can't wear our clothes in their countries then they shouldn't be allowed to wear theirs in ours.

[Amarok]

IMO you're trying to sell a load of propaganda that muslims should get special treatment at the expense of everyone else.  

Nope i'm saying it does not matter how Islamic nations treat non Muslims it has nothing to do with how we should treat Muslims .

If a woman from the South Pacific wanted to wear a grass skirt in Omaha would she be allowed to do it?  What about people from other parts of the world?  Is it acceptable for them to wear what their ancestors wore 1,400 years ago in New York City and Boston?  You'll have a fit if someone tried to do that.

 Why not ? Who's it hurting ?

 If you don't want the second wrong then don't do the first one.  Reciprocity is the way to go.  If we can't wear our clothes in their countries then they shouldn't be allowed to wear theirs in ours.

Once again that's petty childish morality . And no it does not matter what wrong person one commits. It never justifies doing the same .

[WinterHold]

No, Atlas is right (I had to look it up, not being an authority on the subject) - women covering up regards only the body and the hair.  Some women voluntarily cover the face, but there is nothing in Islam requiring them to do so. Iran and (I think) Saudi Arabia require the veil, but that's a political position, not a religious one.

Boru

It's very rarely voluntary, but you're right islam has little to do with it.

The practise is tribal in a lot of areas where islam dominqtes, and comes from the idea that women are things to be owned (which historically was very common, it's only fairly recent that most christian denominations accepted married women having ideas different to their husbands).

Middle Eastern people have severe cultural complexities regarding women, it reached the level of having a widespread custom of burying female newborns alive to hide the shame of having them; covering the woman head to toe in the ugly, disturbing manor that we see in places like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan is another evidence of the habit of burying women alive evolving, they stopped putting little girls in the dust and replaced it with clothes.

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Look, if she's that ugly that she has to wear a veil I wouldn't want her in my restaurant either.  What if the veil slipped off?  Other people are trying to eat, man.

How in the hell can someone have a meal with a sack over her head?  This religious/tribal BS has got to go.  It's like when Judah screwed Tamar without knowing who she was because she was wearing a sack over her body.  This is the 21st Century A.D., not 3000 B.C.  It's time for everyone to get their head out of their asses and live in the modern world or else go back to their tents in the desert.

You have to specify if it's tribal or religious.
It's very tribal, and the psychological complexities toward women have roots in Arabia long before Islam; the historical evidence says that.

As for the rest of your post; all I have to say is that you're not alone on this earth, other people also live here, they have their own culture and own differences from you. So; get over your xenophobia: live in the 21st century. The world is a big place.

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An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.  Everyone is a lot nicer when there's reciprocity.

A primitive,childish  a and tribalistic mindset and one i have no use for .

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How in the hell can someone have a meal with a sack over her head?  This religious/tribal BS has got to go.  It's like when Judah screwed Tamar without knowing who she was because she was wearing a sack over her body.  This is the 21st Century A.D., not 3000 B.C.  It's time for everyone to get their head out of their asses and live in the modern world or else go back to their tents in the desert.

How about no. How about she will wear whatever the fuck she wants .

It's a matter of personal freedom unless there's a security reason for example, I understood France's ban over Niqab. But for head covers; what's the difference between a hat and a Hijab ? Actually; I think a stylist can easily make a Hijab that's basically a hat and a scarf. 

Xenophobia. That's what I would describe the fear of Hijab.

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Same stupid logic . Islamic countries don't need to change for us to treat people in our own countries properly.  This is a really dumb line of reason .

IMO you're trying to sell a load of propaganda that muslims should get special treatment at the expense of everyone else.  

If a woman from the South Pacific wanted to wear a grass skirt in Omaha would she be allowed to do it?  What about people from other parts of the world?  Is it acceptable for them to wear what their ancestors wore 1,400 years ago in New York City and Boston?  You'll have a fit if someone tried to do that.  

If you don't want the second wrong then don't do the first one.  Reciprocity is the way to go.  If we can't wear our clothes in their countries then they shouldn't be allowed to wear theirs in ours.

So you judged a population of about 1.8 Billion people this easily?
To me; that's the propaganda. Propaganda always beat on the drums of generalization and mob mentality.

Do you realize that not all Muslims look like Osama Bin Laden? Just check this forum for example, Muslims are pretty much....human. When some humans are deprived of sex they get violent towards other genders -check Brazil's rape rates, or south Africa...-, and Arabia is one of these places, but so many non-Muslim countries top the list; I didn't hear you talk about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_stati...By_country

Believe me; even in Christian and Jewish Middle Eastern provinces expect violence against women one way or another. Sunni/Shiite Islam do contribute to the mixture too; but not all men the same.

I can't believe your generalization because the number is -1.8 Billion- is very huge. Generalizing on that number is mere propaganda and ignorance.

[WinterHold]

IMO you're trying to sell a load of propaganda that muslims should get special treatment at the expense of everyone else.  

Nope i'm saying it does not matter how Islamic nations treat non Muslims it has nothing to do with how we should treat Muslims .

If a woman from the South Pacific wanted to wear a grass skirt in Omaha would she be allowed to do it?  What about people from other parts of the world?  Is it acceptable for them to wear what their ancestors wore 1,400 years ago in New York City and Boston?  You'll have a fit if someone tried to do that.

 Why not ? Who's it hurting ?

 If you don't want the second wrong then don't do the first one.  Reciprocity is the way to go.  If we can't wear our clothes in their countries then they shouldn't be allowed to wear theirs in ours.

Once again that's petty childish morality . And no it does not matter what wrong person one commits. It never justifies doing the same .

The bold part.
People are not their countries. Treating others in a good way is a favor we do to ourselves after all, if we generalized on a whole population because of a small group then we're creating an enemy out of nothing.

That's how Hitler lost the war.

[Amarok]

It's a matter of personal freedom unless there's a security reason for example, I understood France's ban over Niqab. But for head covers; what's the difference between a hat and a Hijab ? Actually; I think a stylist can easily make a Hijab that's basically a hat and a scarf. 

Xenophobia. That's what I would describe the fear of Hijab

A Canadian cartoon . When banning face covering became issue here . 

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