And as for books that drove people to suicide .How about people who have commited murder suicides because of the bible.

Let's not forget about that woman Susan something, who drowned all of her kids in the name of Jeebus.

(May 21, 2018 at 8:57 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, I put you at about 11 - 14 as well.

Nah. I'm much too autism to be immature.

Whoops. I meant. I'm much too AWESOME to be immature. Freudian slip. Apologies. It was because of the other thread. I type what I think. Real fast. Right out. Of my head.

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(May 21, 2018 at 9:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Does anyone here acknowledge that there may be a Creator?  Please let me know.  Just curious.

Depends on the creator. Some kinds of gods are logically impossible and some aren't.

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(May 21, 2018 at 9:17 pm)CDF47 Wrote: DNA, molecular machines, fine-tuned universe,....

I debunked all those already.

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(May 21, 2018 at 9:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: 303 pages...

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(May 21, 2018 at 9:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, you are sick.  There were some very good priests at that school.  I am no longer Catholic though.

Because not all of them were very good and one of them hurt your arse?

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(May 21, 2018 at 9:41 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You are no defender of God.

No shit Sherlock.

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(May 21, 2018 at 10:18 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No, I made it through the state sponsored Neo-Darwinist schooling system and kept my faith.

So you failed school then.

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(May 21, 2018 at 11:35 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 21, 2018 at 11:28 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Clearly not if the past posts show this

Clearly so.

Nuh uh.

Idiot.

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(May 21, 2018 at 11:38 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 21, 2018 at 11:36 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: Only if god is synonymous with idiocy.

God is synonymous with omniscience.

God is synonymous with nonexistence.

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(May 22, 2018 at 2:12 am)CDF47 Wrote: So you are one of those Dawkins drones?  Un-real.

I think you are. I think you're a poe.

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(May 22, 2018 at 3:53 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 22, 2018 at 3:33 am)CDF47 Wrote: However, DNA and the fine-tuned universe does show us where the universe came from, that it was designed by a Designer. 

No, No, No, No, No, No!
That is a very wrong leap.
DNA looks designed to your simple mind.
The Universe looks fine tuned to your simple mind.
But you have no way of showing these two designs. Because of this, you cannot infer anything from those "looks designed".

If the whole Universe is designed, then you don't have any basis to argue for any design, because you have nothing - NOTHING - that's not designed for you to compare and measure against.
If the Universe is not designed, then it just isn't.... and the fact that it looks designed to your mind is just your ignorance talking.

Very epic post, Poca.

CDF47 Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:Can you give an example of something that doesn't contain information?

DNA information is a highly sophisticated code which could have only come from an intelligence.

So that's a no.

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CDF47 Wrote:Yes, there are creation myth stories from other pagan religions but they are just that myths.  Read how they sound.

Like magic fruit, talking snakes, flaming swords, dust come to life, that sort of thing?

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CDF47 Wrote:

Minimalist Wrote:Actually, its assholes like you we reject.

Some god you have there.  Needs a loser like you to spread his word.  What a dork.

Can't even see that there is a code inside DNA.  Atheists think the code wrote itself somehow.  How stupid is that?  Really, it makes no sense at all.

Have you considered praying for a better argument? And again, I notice that you never address RNA world, the hypothesis for abiogenesis with the most support, and an explanation for the origin of DNA. How cowardly is that?

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CDF47 Wrote:You will find out on judgment day.  That is not the right time to be looking for salvation.  DNA shows a Creator.

A good mafia Don would pay you for delivering his threats. Also, argument ad baculum (threats, basically) is a logical fallacy. Also, Jesus never advised his followers to threaten non-believers with hellfire, possibly because it would be stupid to threaten someone with something you haven't gotten to believe is real, yet; AND it's a tactic you use when you don't have any good arguments. Also, supposedly, Jesus said we would know their followers by their love. That's not what comes to mind when I think of you.

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CDF47 Wrote:He has shown Himself through the creation, through our conscious, and through His word.

Then everyone should already believe in your God and there should only be one religion, rather than your religion depending mostly on where you're born.

(May 22, 2018 at 3:53 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 22, 2018 at 3:33 am)CDF47 Wrote: However, DNA and the fine-tuned universe does show us where the universe came from, that it was designed by a Designer. 

No, No, No, No, No, No!
That is a very wrong leap.
DNA looks designed to your simple mind.
The Universe looks fine tuned to your simple mind.
But you have no way of showing these two designs. Because of this, you cannot infer anything from those "looks designed".

If the whole Universe is designed, then you don't have any basis to argue for any design, because you have nothing - NOTHING - that's not designed for you to compare and measure against.
If the Universe is not designed, then it just isn't.... and the fact that it looks designed to your mind is just your ignorance talking.

It all clearly looks designed because it is designed.  Ever think of that.

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(May 22, 2018 at 6:31 am)Joods Wrote:

(May 21, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Poor thing doesn;t know who or what he believes in, either.  Have a heart. 

Meh. I tried having a heart pages and pages ago. He ruined the wet dream for me and I just can't forgive that.

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(May 22, 2018 at 1:33 am)CDF47 Wrote: The God Delusion is an evil book.  I believe it is the book that was found under the bed of a suicide teen.  He wasn't smart enough to refute the garbage and it may have cost him his life after losing hope.

Here's a good website see the atrocities (read:killing) in your precious bible. But since I know you won't bother clicking on the link and actually reading any of it, here's the condensed version or a breakdown, if you will: 

Quote:Total number killed by God in the Bible
- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
 - With estimates: 25 million

Fuck your "loving" god. 

Top Ten Atrocities Committed in the Name of Religion

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...moral-bias

Quote:When the numbers are crunched the results are shocking. In his book Drunk with Blood: God’s Killing in the Bible3, Steve Wells adds up the killings attributed to God and those attributed to Satan: Through pestilence, plague, natural disasters, striking people down, et cetera, God is directly described as killing 2, 475, 636 people, often for capricious reasons such as burning incense or even questioning God’s killing. Satan, the goat-headed embodiment of all that is dark in the universe, is given credit for killing a paltry ten. When Wells estimates the likely size of towns or communities destroyed, it raises the number of God’s victims to more than 24 million, and bumps Satan to sixty.  Yet people like Kelly consider God unquestionably righteous and Satan the epitome of evil, with no apparent sense of the inherent hypocrisy.

bold mine. 

@CDF47  You were saying?

God gives life so He can take it back at His will.  He is the author of life but can take it when need be.

CDF47 Wrote:Christianity and the discoveries of DNA and the fine-tuned universe go hand-in-hand.  This is science, not psuedoscience as you like to call it.

'The fine-tuned universe' beyond anthropic fine-tuning (we won't find evidence of conditions that would make our existence on earth impossible, because hey, we're here) is not science. It is a thought experiment. Unlike real science experiments, thought experiments don't yield evidence.

And again, a universe that permits our existence is the only kind of universe that doesn't require a higher power to explain our existence. An omnipotent being doesn't require a fine-tuned universe to do its work. Such a being could as easily have us exist in an environment in which our existence would be otherwise impossible. If our universe were designed to make it possible for its creations to survive, it implies limitations to the power of the designer, and thus it is much less likely to be the Christian God in which you believe.

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CDF47 Wrote:

Joods Wrote:Please stop being so stupid. You're going to hurt yourself.

Arguing with atheists seems pretty harmless.

It could be a great way to show that love that the followers of Jesus are supposed to be known for, but you've pissed that opportunity away. I don't blame you for not trying, what Jesus supposedly expects from his followers is somewhat inconvenient.

(May 22, 2018 at 12:55 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 22, 2018 at 12:50 am)Khemikal Wrote: It;s really too bad, you know about the bible but you don;t believe what it says.  So there goes that dodge .............when you stand in judgement.

I absolutely believe in it as the inspired word of God.

Except when it disagrees with Behe, your call..but there will be consequences.

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Are you familiar with your atheist bible; The God Delusion?

Meh, never read it. Most of the time..when I hear about it, it;s from a poor downtrodden believer low on faith.

CDF47 Wrote:Not a straw man to say out of nothing came everything. 

No one here thinks everything came from nothing. If we did, THEN it wouldn't be a straw man. Since we don't, it IS a straw man. That's what MAKES it a straw man. Get it, yet?

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CDF47 Wrote:Leviticus 17:11, "For the life of the flesh is in the blood,"

You know DNA is in EVERY cell, not just blood, right? The blood thing to the Hebrews was a result of mundane observation: if you bleed too much, you die. Nothing to do with DNA.

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CDF47 Wrote:

Khemikal Wrote:That was symbolic, based mostly on the observation that people..drained of blood....tend to die. No matter how many times I ctrl f I can;t get any hits on "DNA" in there.

No matter how it is spun it still says the life of the flesh is in the blood which is an accurate statement.

A cloudless sky at noon appears blue is an accurate statement too, but since it has nothing to do with the topic at hand, I'll refrain from further observations on that matter, since it would be a foolish distraction.

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CDF47 Wrote:

The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:Nearly 300 hundred pages of failing to convince anyone of any of his "points," and yet he keeps plugging. Persistent little cuss, ain't he.

It is easy to persist with truth on my side.

It's easy to persist when you don't understand what's actually happening well enough to know that you're doing more to support the case against believing you to the lurkers than the case for you. This argument was better for that cause the shorter you made it.

(May 22, 2018 at 9:54 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: You know DNA is in EVERY cell, not just blood, right? The blood thing to the Hebrews was a result of mundane observation: if you bleed too much, you die. Nothing to do with DNA.

Actually, there is no DNA in mature red blood cells.

CDF47 Wrote:The fact still remains that the life of the flesh is in the blood.

Just as the fact remains that most canaries have yellow feathers.

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CDF47 Wrote:

Khemikal Wrote:Chock full of wiccans, atheists, and non affiliateds.  I'll expect your conversion shortly, since you have a thing for toughguys and not much of a thing for god.

Chock full of Christians actually.

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At least 66 percent of the military is Christian:

http://byfaithonline.com/camouflaged-christians-2/

Compared to over 70% of the general American populace. Soldiers are less likely to be Christian than the average American.

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Anomalocaris Wrote:

Mister Agenda Wrote:You know DNA is in EVERY cell, not just blood, right? The blood thing to the Hebrews was a result of mundane observation: if you bleed too much, you die. Nothing to do with DNA.

Actually, there is no DNA in mature red blood cells.

You are right, of course. Thanks for the correction.

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CDF47 Wrote:

Hammy Wrote:You like Michael Behe.

He's a brilliant scientist who stands in the face of the scientific community and of power because he has truth on his side.

I know there are occasional mavericks who stand up to the scientific community and are eventually proven right, and those guys go down in history. But most mavericks who stand up to the scientific community turn out to be wrong, and are forgotten unless they were so ridiculous about it that they got famous for that. They laughed at the Wright Brothers, but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.