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| Poll: How do you account for psychopaths? This poll is closed. |
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| I don’t believe God is responsible for our morality | 4 | 50.00% | |
| I don’t accept that psychopaths really exist | 0 | 0% | |
| Psychopaths are choosing to ignore their innate sense of right and wrong | 0 | 0% | |
| God mistakenly misses out psychopaths when granting morality | 0 | 0% | |
| It’s the psychopath’s fault they have no empathy | 2 | 25.00% | |
| It’s because of “the fall” | 0 | 0% | |
| Other | 2 | 25.00% | |
| Total | 8 vote(s) | 100% | |
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Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
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 (May 25, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 1:32 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: People never have the ability to choose what they don't care about. Choosing to do something already implies that they care about what they choose in some way. Caring about not getting caught isn't caring about not doing the wrong thing. The latter is something psychopaths can never choose. Well... why did God allow people without a conscience to exist? Sure, they'll behave good if they're so worried they'll get caught. But then again, they may just hurt people and avoid getting caught. Why would God allow psychopaths? And if all that matters is the behavior, from God's perspective, why does he make 1% of people psychopaths but 99% of people non-psychopaths? What's the point of a conscience if psychopaths can still behave good? Sure, they CAN, but only when they have to. RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 4:45 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I can think of no more dehumanizing or inhumane thing than subjecting people to pain and suffering and privation on the notion that it's for their own good, while refusing to ever explain what possible good any of it might effect.
In this way both god and all of it;s adherents who espouse this trash dehumanize the entirety of the species and reject any notion of justice, informed consent, or agency, instituting a divine tyranny over the lives of every single thing that has or will ever live. We would pillory a person that attempted to do so over even a fraction of us, and be undeniably justified in that act. We accept this language..just the language, only by virtue of being a willing accomplice or on the presumption that anyone who mouths it is completely deluded and entirely powerless to make reality conform to their twisted psyches.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
What is there to account for? Psychopaths are the only men who are made in the image of the totally capricious god. All other man have better morals built with facilities for restraint developed and tested through evolution.
 (May 25, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 3:44 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Right, I was talking about behavior. They may not care about morality for its own sake or care about other people, but they can still choose to behave morally. ...Presumably as not to jeopardise their own well being. For the same unknown reasons He allows any other disorder or disease to exist, I suppose. Those are all natural consequences of a natural world. To prevent them, He'd have to divinely intervene every time they would happen, and this wouldn't be a natural world anymore. Why Did He choose to allow the world to be this way, instead of all magical? I don't know. But I do trust that if a God does exist, He knows much better than I do.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh (May 25, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: Well... why did God allow people without a conscience to exist? This is the best answer I've ever seen on this thread "For the same reason he allows any other disorder." Indeed. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now though, the question is, why does God allow any disorder to happen? Why does God allow childhood cancer to happen? And other serious diseases to happen to innocent children and animals? And extremely painful ones too? And childhood cancer existed in the past before pain medicine was allowed as well? So I guess your answer is it is, indeed, an unknown reason. You say he must have a good reason. Well... I am not convinced. I really think if the God of the Bible exists he's not as good as he or the Bible claims him to be. Or at least not as competent as it is claimed that he is. Either his powers are a lot more limited than they're claimed to be, or he's not a good God. Or both. Or he doesn't exist. RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 25, 2018 at 5:09 pm
(This post was last modified: May 25, 2018 at 5:12 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I dont see why constant divine intervention would be required. We seek to reduce or eliminate these problems without that crutch and have had some success..presumably, the author of all biology has the tech specs and wouldn;t need to come down and wave a wand at everyone all the goddamned time.
All I see is another version of "god wont do what men would do for unknown but completely real reasons, even though I can't articulate what those could possibly be - it;s better this way". What would the problem with this being a supernatural world be, if it had to be done that way, anyway? To hear the story told it already -is- a supernatural world. Something is awry...........
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
(May 25, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 5:02 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: For the same unknown reasons He allows any other disorder or disease to exist, I suppose. Those are all natural consequences of a natural world. To prevent them, He'd have to divinely intervene every time they would happen, and this wouldn't be a natural world anymore. Why Did He choose to allow the world to be this way, instead of all magical? I don't know. But I do trust that if a God does exist, He knows much better than I do. I'm only a little human living in a tiny part of the universe for a tiny amount of time, in the face of all eternity. All I can see is the here and now, this tiny portion, not even close to the big picture. I'm not going to presume to know better than a being who can see everything. It makes sense logically, but I understand how hard it is to accept, emotionally. Especially when going through very difficult times.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh 
What I see is people making excuses for a being that is not doing anything to defend itself almost as though he does not exist to defend himself; thus making human excuses for a human concoction of an imaginative divinity that just does not exist anywhere except in the human mind.
(May 25, 2018 at 5:40 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(May 25, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Edwardo Piet Wrote: This is the best answer I've ever seen on this thread "For the same reason he allows any other disorder." But you do presume that such a being has a good reason for allowing awful things to happen to innocent children and animals. |
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