(June 2, 2018 at 9:46 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Kit Wrote: The word "troll" gets used a great deal.

I don't think he's "intentionally" trolling.

He's just being his usual theistic self.  Unfortunately.

My personal opinion is that this person is a troll.  He responds, yes.  But he’s not truly engaging in the topic he says he wants to “discuss”.  If he’s sincere, I’ll eat my shoes.

Sincerity Moberly implies volition, I think he is sincere in much the same way that a brain dead person is sincere about being brain-dead. There is no volition involved

(June 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 10:48 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: As a percentage of world populations, no.  That amount remains the same.  Muslims however...

Source?

The Future of World Religions: Population Growth Projections, 2010-2050

No, CDF47 is a poster child for those who simply switch off their brain and slavishly follow the cult of a corpse.

Such folks will make a really big deal about how gawwwd gave us the gift of free will while on the other hand rejecting that same gift as something of satan, another fantasy being.

gawwd commands you to have free will, and promptly commands you not to use it. Yet more evidence that gawwd is a total dick.

In the case of CDF47 in particular, his gawwd commands him to lie for jebus. His response is not to ask why, but how much. That is how far down the rabbit hole he goes.

It is interesting to note that his ID notion leads wherever one prefers. CDF47 thinks it leads to yahweh and the bible. MysticKnight thinks it leads to allah and the quran. Both carefully avoid discussing which is which and which is qurrect (intended). Why is that?

To CDF47 MysticKnight is a heathen, to MysticKnight CDF47 is a heathen. Yet they never engage any discussion about it. Why?

My only possible conclusion is that the entire concept of ID is not any path to any truth. If ID can lead to islam, christianity, hinduism, buddhism and so forth, it cannot possibly be any use whatsoever as a guide to anything.

It doesn;t have to lead to any god or religion.  IDers are constantly telling us that it;s not just their religion repackaged.  Well, okay, then stripping all of the blatantly religious assertions...it could only tell us that some sort of iterative process that produces things associated with intelligence, and point of fact produces intelligence itself..is at play.

Gee...I wonder what that might be?  

(June 3, 2018 at 3:03 am)Khemikal Wrote: It doesn;t have to lead to any god or religion.  IDers are constantly telling us that it;s not just their religion repackaged.  Well, okay, then stripping all of the blatantly religious assertions...it could only tell us that some sort of iterative process that produces things associated with intelligence, and point of fact produces intelligence itself..is at play.

Gee...I wonder what that might be?  

And that is the point. ID can lead to whatever one wants, the FSM or the IPU could just as well be in charge.

(June 2, 2018 at 5:50 pm)CDF47 Wrote:

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(June 2, 2018 at 12:25 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: To believe in satan you have to believe in god as it is all in the same mythology so only theists can be true Satanists.

There could be some here. You never know.  An obvious agenda is being served it appears.

Let me explain what you are suggesting with an analogy.

I say I don't believe in the green underpant gnome you believe in.


Then you suggest that that means I must believe in the pink underpant gnome.


The truth is I do not believe in ANY underpant gnomes.

You see satan in the bible is a sort of rival god. They seem to be frenemies, sometimes they fight, sometimes they make bets, sometimes they just chill.

So if I don't that sort of nonsense then that includes satan angels etc etc.

Its all myths like zeus and the easter bunny.

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(June 2, 2018 at 9:43 pm)Kit Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 9:42 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: This here is a troll with some lonnnnng game.  Wow.

The word "troll" gets used a great deal.

I don't think he's "intentionally" trolling.

He's just being his usual theistic self.  Unfortunately.

I started off thinking that no one could be that stupid and must be a poe or troll but I am starting to think this is what he is like.
Must be hell for the people he sees in real life.

(June 2, 2018 at 6:26 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Last one to post wins

That will be CDF47 then ...

(June 3, 2018 at 5:00 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: I started off thinking that no one could be that stupid and must be a poe or troll but I am starting to think this is what he is like.
Must be hell for the people he sees in real life.

Isn't that the nature of Poe's law?

"Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is utterly impossible to parody a Creationist in such a way that someone won't mistake for the genuine article." Poe

One of the reasons I enjoy posting on atheist discussion forums is that it forces me to think of subjects in ways I probably wouldn't otherwise. This can serve as a source of inspiration for my research. Because I questioned the point of philosophy I was won over and now plan on writing a philosophy paper. And I'm also currently thinking about how I can build a self organised machinery that builds itself up from a collection of random parts without design. I am currently extending a previous experiment to test a hypothesis about how it can be done.

(June 3, 2018 at 2:57 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: No, CDF47 is a poster child for those who simply switch off their brain and slavishly follow the cult of a corpse.

I don't think that's an entirely fair characterization. I don't think he's necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed, but to assign the blame as you have done is to ignore the natural seductiveness and appeal of the design hypothesis given certain assumptions about the world, and once ensnared in its web, to be unable to dispel its glamour. Heck, even I find the design hypothesis appealing and cogent, even in spite of having rather in depth knowledge of some of its failings.