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What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 5:58 am (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 5:59 am by WinterHold.)
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 6:49 am (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 6:50 am by paulpablo.)


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 8:35 am
(June 2, 2018 at 8:28 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(June 2, 2018 at 8:05 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Because I don't actually believe I was teaching you the definition of the word "all" when I posted it there, I think you already knew it, but you just didn't want to know it.

"Taught me"?

You actually thought that you "taught me"?

He literally just said that he didn't actually believe he taught you. Are you trying to seem stupid for some reason?
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 8:58 am (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 9:15 am by WinterHold.)
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 9:17 am (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 9:19 am by paulpablo.)
It's on the one I just showed you, all you did is type "all meaning" instead of "all definition" to get some different results, but they're still all interchangeable.


There's 2 which can reasonably be used in relation to sins.


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On your results was "to emphasize the greatest possible amount of quantity"

So if this is about sins, the greatest possible quantity of sins is 100% of them.  Not excluding shirk, to exclude shirk while also claiming the greatest quantity of sins will be forgiven is a contradiction.

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A whole quantity.

If I say I'm forgiving a the whole quantity of sins it means there's a quantifiable amount of sins and there isn't one which I'm not forgiving.  So if I'm also saying there is one I'm not forgiving this is a contradiction. Because that wouldn't be the whole quantity.  It's like saying "I ate the whole quantity of cake.  I left a piece of cake."

It doesn't matter which interchangeable meaning or definition you use or whatever similar way you can use the synonyms to the word "all" it's still going to be considered a contradiction in the way the quran words it in the English language.
(June 3, 2018 at 8:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 8:35 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: He literally just said that he didn't actually believe he taught you. Are you trying to seem stupid for some reason?

I judge by contexts, not words and gestures alone.

I said I don't believe I taught you what the word "all" means, so by what contexts does that make you think I meant the exact opposite thing to what I said?

Considering we're on a forum and all you have to go by are the words I'm typing and the context of how I said it to you was extremely simple and straight forward.  I said I don't believe I taught you what the word "all" means.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 10:14 am
(June 3, 2018 at 9:17 am)paulpablo Wrote: It's on the one I just showed you, all you did is type "all meaning" instead of "all definition" to get some different results, but they're still all interchangeable.


There's 2 which can reasonably be used in relation to sins.


1 

On your results was "to emphasize the greatest possible amount of quantity"

So if this is about sins, the greatest possible quantity of sins is 100% of them.  Not excluding shirk, to exclude shirk while also claiming the greatest quantity of sins will be forgiven is a contradiction.

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A whole quantity.

If I say I'm forgiving a the whole quantity of sins it means there's a quantifiable amount of sins and there isn't one which I'm not forgiving.  So if I'm also saying there is one I'm not forgiving this is a contradiction. Because that wouldn't be the whole quantity.  It's like saying "I ate the whole quantity of cake.  I left a piece of cake."

It doesn't matter which interchangeable meaning or definition you use or whatever similar way you can use the synonyms to the word "all" it's still going to be considered a contradiction in the way the quran words it in the English language.
How so?

"Immigrants from (xx) are not allowed into the EU, but immigrants from other places are welcome if the government accepts".
Another form:

"Immigrants from (xx) are not allowed into the EU, and immigrants from other places are welcome if the government accepts".
Another form:

"Immigrants from (xx) are not allowed into the EU, though immigrants from other places are welcome if the government accepts".



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(June 3, 2018 at 8:58 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:

I judge by contexts, not words and gestures alone.

I said I don't believe I taught you what the word "all" means, so by what contexts does that make you think I meant the exact opposite thing to what I said?

Considering we're on a forum and all you have to go by are the words I'm typing and the context of how I said it to you was extremely simple and straight forward.  I said I don't believe I taught you what the word "all" means.

My bad. Truly.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 12:23 pm
Right. But all immigrants are welcome. Immigrants from Italy are not welcome. Is a contradiction.

It doesn't matter what example you use.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 12:34 pm by WinterHold.)
(June 3, 2018 at 12:23 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Right. But all immigrants are welcome. Immigrants from Italy are not welcome. Is a contradiction.

It doesn't matter what example you use.

You didn't include "but/and/though" in the above.
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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 1:27 pm
All immigrants are welcome but immigrants from Italy are not welcome is a contradiction.


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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RE: What is your problem with Islam? Think about it
June 3, 2018 at 1:29 pm (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 1:30 pm by Angrboda.)
(June 3, 2018 at 1:27 pm)paulpablo Wrote: All immigrants are welcome but immigrants from Italy are not welcome is a contradiction.

Perhaps it's just poor grammar, and what is intended instead is, "All immigrants but those from Italy are welcome." Hard to reconcile things when the thoughts get parted from each other; hard to reunite them again.

(But even so, that would somewhat impeach the text's credibility as a holy text.)
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