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~~Mystic~~ · June 3, 2018 at 1:31 pm

I would study linguistics guys. Language was not meant so we just find faults, it was meant to succinctly communicate.

And it's due to that, often, Lawyers are needed to interpret law.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 1:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Allah can;t speak good and everything. Takes Mystic here to clear it up.....for certain novel values of "clear". Personally, I think it;s cute. All of these believers telling us what their slow god meant to say.

**robvalue** · June 3, 2018 at 1:33 pm

I don't know why Muslims would be worried about contradictions. There's a rule that says stuff written later trumps stuff written earlier when there's a contradiction.

This brings up the problem of who exactly is allowed to write stuff that counts, and when the deadline is, but these are already problems.

~~Mystic~~ · June 3, 2018 at 1:34 pm

There is actually no contradictions although a lot of Muslims believe in abrogation in that sense, just different circumstances apply different applications.

**The Grand Nudger** · June 3, 2018 at 1:35 pm

................................ Rolleyes

Angrboda · (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 1:39 pm by Angrboda.)

Uh huh. We get the same from Christians. Wonder why that is? Reminds me of the argument I presented to Atlas in another thread. Either the bible is true, which means the Quran isn't, or the bible is not true, and so the Quran in that case also isn't true. I believe Atlas' complaint was that we don't have the same bible they had in Mohammed's time. I think the evidence says otherwise. Hard to imagine the message of Christ's divinity was somehow 'invented' somewhere along the way.

~~Mystic~~ · (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 1:39 pm by Mystic.)

(June 3, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Allah can;t speak good and everything. Takes Mystic here to clear it up.....for certain novel values of "clear". Personally, I think it;s cute. All of these believers telling us what their slow god meant to say.

I think Quran clarifies itself. But if you are too lazy to study it, and don't seek the help of the family of the reminder to enlighten yourself by it, you won't open up it's wonders.

Yes, anyone can take statements and make them contradict from angles they were never meant to be read from.

A true contradiction is possible to find, like the contradiction of what The Torah iterates of Abraham and his chosen offspring and Lut, then neglects it with Aaron and his chosen offspring and it get in a hallmark of contradicting the thesis it emphasized on, with Saul.

Quran clarifies that too, and even shows how Mohammad is in the Torah and Gospels in a subtle manner and a majestic manner if a person pays heed.

**The Grand Nudger** · (This post was last modified: June 3, 2018 at 1:40 pm by The Grand Nudger.)

Big Mo certainly didn;t have a decent bible.....he (or whomever it was that ghostwrote in his name) mangles the narratives.......at least, those narratives that they were aware of, which wasn;t so many.

@Mystic
Good, then we don;t need you. Stop stuffing words into the mouth of your god and let it speak for itself.

Wyrd of Gawd · June 3, 2018 at 4:04 pm

(June 3, 2018 at 1:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

(June 3, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Allah can;t speak good and everything. Takes Mystic here to clear it up.....for certain novel values of "clear". Personally, I think it;s cute. All of these believers telling us what their slow god meant to say.

I think Quran clarifies itself. But if you are too lazy to study it, and don't seek the help of the family of the reminder to enlighten yourself by it, you won't open up it's wonders.

Yes, anyone can take statements and make them contradict from angles they were never meant to be read from.

A true contradiction is possible to find, like the contradiction of what The Torah iterates of Abraham and his chosen offspring and Lut, then neglects it with Aaron and his chosen offspring and it get in a hallmark of contradicting the thesis it emphasized on, with Saul.

Quote:Quran clarifies that too, and even shows how Mohammad is in the Torah and Gospels in a subtle manner and a majestic manner if a person pays heed.

Do you have specific chapters and verses to support that statement?

~~Mystic~~ · June 3, 2018 at 4:06 pm

(June 3, 2018 at 4:04 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:
(June 3, 2018 at 1:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:

I think Quran clarifies itself. But if you are too lazy to study it, and don't seek the help of the family of the reminder to enlighten yourself by it, you won't open up it's wonders.

Yes, anyone can take statements and make them contradict from angles they were never meant to be read from.

A true contradiction is possible to find, like the contradiction of what The Torah iterates of Abraham and his chosen offspring and Lut, then neglects it with Aaron and his chosen offspring and it get in a hallmark of contradicting the thesis it emphasized on, with Saul.

Do you have specific chapters and verses to support that statement?

Yes, I do. But I want when I present it, to be, a one on one debate. You willing to debate this with me?

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