It is what he actually said, its just not what he literally said.  You can tell by the way that all the fel hundestaffel ears perk up when they hear it.  

I cant bother pretending otherwise and no one else should. This is a man who blurts out "separate but equal" while announcing a space force at a conference where they wanted his approval on some space trashtrucks.

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(June 20, 2018 at 3:48 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 20, 2018 at 2:06 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: That's not what Trump actually said.

What he  did say wasn't much less vile

You are part of the problem; do you realize that?  So, it’s okay for the left to resort to dishonest tactics just cuz ‘left’?  All you do is bitch about fake propaganda from the right and how dangerous it is, and here you are defending it.  It Faux news had done this you’d be having a shit fit right now.  When did you stop caring about the truth?

(June 20, 2018 at 3:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: It is what he actually said, its just not what he literally said.

I agree.  So, then why not just use the literal quote?  At least then the meme would be factually accurate.

(June 23, 2018 at 9:56 am)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 20, 2018 at 3:48 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: What he  did say wasn't much less vile

You are part of the problem; do you realize that?  So, it’s okay for the left to resort to dishonest tactics just cuz ‘left’?  All you do is bitch about fake propaganda from the right and how dangerous it is, and here you are defending it.  It Faux news had done this you’d be having a shit fit right now.  When did you stop caring about the truth?

What the hell are you talking about ? 

All i said what he did say was just as awful as the misquote .Nowhere i repeat Nowhere  was i defending the article misquoting Trump . It's starting to become a tiresome exercise having to to explain my comments so people don't insert malevolent intentions into them.  

(June 23, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 23, 2018 at 9:56 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: You are part of the problem; do you realize that?  So, it’s okay for the left to resort to dishonest tactics just cuz ‘left’?  All you do is bitch about fake propaganda from the right and how dangerous it is, and here you are defending it.  It Faux news had done this you’d be having a shit fit right now.  When did you stop caring about the truth?

What the hell are you talking about ? 

All i said what he did say was just as awful as the misquote .Nowhere i repeat Nowhere  was i defending the article misquoting Trump . It's starting to become a tiresome exercise having to to explain my comments so people don't insert malevolent intentions into them.  

You said his actual words were more vile than the misquote, which is false, because he was talking about MS 13 gang members and violent criminals. Do I think he says these things to get that base-hate flowing at immigrants? Yeah, I do. He probably does think all illegal immigrants are animals, but that’s not what he said, and the meme is factually (and likely intentionally) incorrect. 

The truth matters. It shouldn’t be collateral damage of any cause. Saying, “that’s probably what he thinks anyway” is a failure to condemn the same manipulative tactic that the right uses all the time; a tactic we feign disgust over until we’re the ones using it.  I notice a lot of that going around lately.  I know people have had more than enough of this vindictive, narcissistic, hateful, senile man-baby in a suit, but if we start abandoning our integrity, our own stated values, and the facts, then where are we?  Who are we?

(June 23, 2018 at 3:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 23, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: What the hell are you talking about ? 

All i said what he did say was just as awful as the misquote .Nowhere i repeat Nowhere  was i defending the article misquoting Trump . It's starting to become a tiresome exercise having to to explain my comments so people don't insert malevolent intentions into them.  

You said his actual words were more vile than the misquote, which is false, because he was talking about MS 13 gang members and violent criminals. Do I think he says these things to get that base-hate flowing at immigrants? Yeah, I do. He probably does think all illegal immigrants are animals, but that’s not what he said, and the meme is factually (and likely intentionally) incorrect. 

The truth matters. It shouldn’t be collateral damage of any cause. Saying, “that’s probably what he thinks anyway” is a failure to condemn the same manipulative tactic that the right uses all the time; a tactic we feign disgust over until we’re the ones using it.  I notice a lot of that going around lately.  I know people have had more than enough of this vindictive, narcissistic, hateful, senile man-baby in a suit, but if we start abandoning our integrity, our own stated values, and the facts, then where are we?  Who are we?

It was more or at least just as vile. Criminals don't deserve to be called animals .Aweful people yes but animals no. It's dehumanizing and as person who has worked with violent offenders i found it vile in the extreme. It's that kind of dehumanization that lead to stuff like "enhanced interrogation" because people dehumanized the prisoners .

(June 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(June 23, 2018 at 3:43 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: You said his actual words were more vile than the misquote, which is false, because he was talking about MS 13 gang members and violent criminals. Do I think he says these things to get that base-hate flowing at immigrants? Yeah, I do. He probably does think all illegal immigrants are animals, but that’s not what he said, and the meme is factually (and likely intentionally) incorrect. 

The truth matters. It shouldn’t be collateral damage of any cause. Saying, “that’s probably what he thinks anyway” is a failure to condemn the same manipulative tactic that the right uses all the time; a tactic we feign disgust over until we’re the ones using it.  I notice a lot of that going around lately.  I know people have had more than enough of this vindictive, narcissistic, hateful, senile man-baby in a suit, but if we start abandoning our integrity, our own stated values, and the facts, then where are we?  Who are we?

It was more or at least just as vile. Criminals don't deserve to be called animals .Bad people yes but animals no. It's dehumanizing and as person who has worked with violent offenders i found it vile in the extreme. It's that kind of dehumanization that lead to stuff like "enhanced interrogation"

I agree with all of this, Tiz, but it’s irrelevant to my point, isn’t it?  The meme isn’t claiming that Trump said criminals are animals; it’s claiming that he said undocumented immigrants are animals, which is a false claim (and probably a lie), and should be condemned as such, regardless of which side it came from.  This...is an Apple, Tiz. 😋

(June 23, 2018 at 4:54 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(June 23, 2018 at 4:11 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: It was more or at least just as vile. Criminals don't deserve to be called animals .Bad people yes but animals no. It's dehumanizing and as person who has worked with violent offenders i found it vile in the extreme. It's that kind of dehumanization that lead to stuff like "enhanced interrogation"

I agree with all of this, Tiz, but it’s irrelevant to my point, isn’t it?  The meme isn’t claiming that Trump said criminals are animals; it’s claiming that he said undocumented immigrants are animals, which is a false claim (and probably a lie), and should be condemned as such, regardless of which side it came from.  This...is an Apple, Tiz. 😋

No it's very relevant to the point as you seem to keep accusing me of supporting the meme . When i voiced no such support . I clearly said what he said was just a vile because it was . Seriously have much plainer do i need to make it ? So kindly stop accusing me of "defending my side" when i did not such thing .

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What you accusing me of 
"Your not screaming bloody murder that this meme is false so your just "defending you side " and slandering the other side . 

Reality 
" I voiced no support for the meme but when comparing the generally awfulness of the meme to what Trump actually said  It's not an improvement in terms of it's awfulness .because calling immigrants or criminals animals is equally horrid .