Quote:No I don’t. 

http://coldcasechristianity.com/2018/why...-to-peter/

Lame propaganda site

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In one of your articles, it was argued, that Eusebius inserted the passage to provide a historic reference for Jesus. However the question should be asked, was there a need to do so. The mythicists movement didn’t really exist or was silent from history until the 18th century. This argument just doesn’t seem to be needed, and isn’t seen in other works, that a historical reference was being forcefully inserted. And we also have an Arabic version, without the questionable additions. Which many scholars think is the authentic core. But in the end, while the passage does conform (secondhand) a few things, it’s not much use as an apologetic other than to the poor argument from silence being presented by bad historians.

And the conspiracy tripe begins

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(July 4, 2018 at 8:28 pm)Jehanne Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 8:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I think it’s reasonable that in his three year ministry, that writers a ways off, didn’t take notice, even if he did what has been witnessed to. In any case, there isn’t really a valid argument from silence to be had. And there are other significant figures, who the only records we have are from after their death. As Tim noted in his article. When you look at some who actually do create lists of writers at the time, many of the mentions are somewhat laughable.  And many writings we only know of through reference, because they haven’t survived the ravages of time. However Christian writings which are quite detailed have survived, and do tell of the man whom Christians follow.

And, so, you accept the Gospel of Peter?

He will just keep repeating the Anti Mythcist gospel

(July 4, 2018 at 8:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: However Christian writings which are quite detailed have survived, and do tell of the man whom Christians follow.

(July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: ...What type of evidence would you accept or expect?  Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.

No, my expectations are perfectly reasonable I would expect the likes of Philo et,al to write something like...

"Went down to the offie for a few gourds carry out and fuck me theirs this dude in the middle of a field surrounded by thousands of blokes doing that praising shit the Joows are want to indulge in, and the place is knee deep in fish and bread. Where's me pen?"

RoadRunner, it didn't happen.

You live in Roman occupied territory and you have a large crowd of people following you around then your life expectancy is in single figures. They will kill you on the spot. No need to involve the Sanhedrin.

You tell the Jews you are god, they will stone you on the spot. No need to involve Pilate.

You tell me blotting paper and some cheap Rioja turns into the geezer that made the universe, I will mock you where you stand.

It did not happen.

(July 4, 2018 at 8:56 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: ...What type of evidence would you accept or expect?  Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.

No, my expectations are perfectly reasonable I would expect the likes of Philo et,al to write something like...

"Went down to the offie for a few gourds carry out and fuck me theirs this dude in the middle of a field surrounded by thousands of blokes doing that praising shit the Joows are want to indulge in, and the place is knee deep in fish and bread. Where's me pen?"

RoadRunner, it didn't happen.

You live in Roman occupied territory and you have a large crowd of people following you around then your life expectancy is in single figures. They will kill you on the spot. No need to involve the Sanhedrin.

You tell the Jews you are god, they will stone you on the spot. No need to involve Pilate.

You tell me blotting paper and some cheap Rioja turns into the geezer that made the universe, I will mock you where you stand.

It did not happen.

All valid points

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(July 4, 2018 at 8:53 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 8:13 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: However Christian writings which are quite detailed have survived, and do tell of the man whom Christians follow.

And may i add

(July 4, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(July 4, 2018 at 4:41 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: Ok, so, to help bring things back on track, are there any athiest scholars that espouse the view that the "Jesus brother of James" passage is genuine?

I've no idea who or what an 'athiest' is.

Do you mean 'atheist scholars'? What does your own research tell you?

It seems to me that most people interested in researching this are either of the Mythicist camp or apologists. I was curious to read something from a more middle ground. Someone like Bart Erhman.

Where do you stand?