Then you have not been looking to close at his past people have been a racist for long time. And it's totally possible to not see Donald Trumps racism till he revealed it during to election to court racists .Need i point out both these men have denounced Trump.

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And tell me who's defending that flag now and are you saying that a country can't become more aware of it's racism overtime?

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Too bad they literally nothing to do with the modern Democrats as the Modern Republicans have nothing to with Lincoln.

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Quote:Members of Congress matter because they objectively represent changes to both the DNC and the GOP before and after the passage of the Civil Right Act. You are stating a subjective interpretation based on a narrative the DNC has fostered to cover-up it's sordid and inescapable past. It is based on slanderous stereotypes of Southerners. It makes no sense to me that hardened racists would magically repent to join the party who voted for the Civil Rights Act. There is no logic to that. Democrats want to believe that the "State's rights" policies of the GOP represented a call to return to the Jim Crow laws of the Democrats. The fact is that the GOP, having successfully passing the Civil Rights Act against the will of most Democrats, shifted its attention towards matters that moderate Southerners cared about such as abortion, prayer in schools, etc.

This is all bullocks. What was that about denying facts .

(August 9, 2018 at 6:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You don't seem to say much of anything, no matter how many posts you make.  It's a really neat trick.

QFT.

(August 9, 2018 at 6:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote: You don't seem to say much of anything, no matter how many posts you make.  It's a really neat trick.

It's the classic argumentum ex culo . You gotta hand it to him though, that kind of shit is not easy to pull out... Erm, off.

All of wooter and by extent Dinesh D’Souza’s garbage refuted on one site including his blather that members of congress mattered .

http://factmyth.com/fact-check-hillarys-...tic-party/

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-a...platforms/

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Quote:Maybe that's why I have to rely of objective public facts :-P

Facts to you are like garlic to a vampire 

Quote:But, please, don't let me stop y'all from making your ad hominem attacks instead of...you know...making reasoned arguments.

If only you actually practiced this

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Quote:Hillary was a racist long before Hillary ran for President

Nope and again whataboutism

Reading the OP reminded me of a Richard K. Morgan book I read many years ago: Altered Carbon. This was long ago, before it became a Netflix series. The quote is from one of the characters (Quellcrist Falconer) in the book, so I don't know if it actually reflects the author's personal beliefs. Nonetheless, it resonated with me.


The end part is probably the most pertinent: "... it’s just business, it’s politics, it’s the way of the world, it’s a tough life and that it’s nothing personal. Well, fuck them. Make it personal."

People like Sarah Huckabee Sanders have chosen to enable the evildoings of the Trump administration to great personal gain. I have no sympathy whatsoever if they are called to account, even in the most petty of ways, when average citizens seize the opportunity to do so.

Don't like being called out as an asshole in public? Then stop being an asshole in your public role.

Quote:Telling us Trump is racist - despite doing things like endorsing a black man (house n***** to Minimalist) over a white man (both Republicans) for US Senate - is supposed to do what...precisely?

1. Refute the idea he's racist and it seems to have worked on you 

2. He legit think he's a better candidate that does not make him not a racist . In ww1 the British thought Black Made better soldiers as they were
"savages " .Thinking a group or a member of that is better for something then a white person does not make you not a racist. 

Once again Alpha Fail shows his one dimensional  view of racism .

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Quote:Yep. Democrats view a conservative black as an Uncle Tom or a house n*****.

Yup and as i already explained in the context it's being used it anti racist

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Quote:When Khemikal comes in to heckle, it usually means you're winning.

No it means you been destroyed now we can have fun mocking you

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Quote:There wasn't a viable alternative, for those of us who actually vote.

Then don't fucking vote 

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Quote:That's what is called the genetic fallacy. Who the source is doesn't matter. What matters is if what they are saying is right or wrong.

Nope sources do matter

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Quote:BTW I corrected the links. Why have you resorted to insults? You are more than welcome to debate the substance of the arguments.

Insults are valid when when one does something insulting

"[R]ight, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must."

— Thucydides

Also i love when Republicans try and claim the abolitionists as their own while ignoring a good portion of them were racists and even Lincoln had some unenlightened views on blacks .They were against the moral evil of slavery not for racial equality . Oh and remind what party is always engaging in slavery apologetic s and lionizing confederate figure and loudly waving the confederate flag in modern times .Hint it's not the Dems . It's ironic they want to damn the democrats for their "dark past " (which is a lie mostly ) but then embrace those same things now things they damn them for .

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By the way is this something a modern Republican would say 


Compare that statement to Marx's Communist manifesto . Though i will point out Lincoln contradicts himself on this many times.

Wow! No wonder the "Party of Abe Lincoln" chose red as its color

(August 10, 2018 at 1:20 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Wow! No wonder the "Party of Abe Lincoln" chose red as its color

I will caution thou that he also once or twice spoke in favor of property now what he considered property is pretty vague so he may have been referring to personnel property rather private property or some variation of the concept .But yes this comment is very interesting .

I will also point out Marx praised Lincoln for freeing the slaves