(August 10, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People who look for hidden meanings in everything end up wearing tinfoil hats, Khem. The Left has gone insane, paranoid of its own bigoted shadow.

^that's exactly the bait-and-switch tactic that dogwhistles allow you to perform. Besides, did you even read what I posted yesterday? Here, I'll copypaste the link for you: https://www.thenation.com/article/exclus...-strategy/

Dog whistles are a legitimate political tactic that has been used by the american right in the past 50 years if not more. Oh, and also, more recently, by alt-right fascists:


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(August 10, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Lucanus Wrote:

(August 10, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People who look for hidden meanings in everything end up wearing tinfoil hats, Khem. The Left has gone insane, paranoid of its own bigoted shadow.

^that's exactly the bait-and-switch tactic that dogwhistles allow you to perform. Besides, did you even read what I posted yesterday? Here, I'll copypaste the link for you: https://www.thenation.com/article/exclus...-strategy/

Dog whistles are a legitimate political tactic that has been used by the american right in the past 50 years if not more. Oh, and also, more recently, by alt-right fascists:


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I'll read yours with an open mind. I invite you to do the same with this article: Quillette

(August 10, 2018 at 3:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I categorically reject the idea of "dog-whistles". I cannot say it better than another has already done:

"Any statement about a member of group, whether positive or negative (let alone accurate or inaccurate), made by someone suspected of being racist (i.e., anyone on the Right), may be demonstrated, after sufficiently imaginative interpretation, to have associated categories with each other in an implicitly racist, dog-whistling way. Praising a particular black man as hard-working, for example, could be uncharitably interpreted as a subtle invocation of stereotypes that black people are lazy. With enough bad faith, anything is possible." - Bonevac, Association Arguments: Dog Whistling in the Dark

And that "bad faith" is exactly how the Left formulates their false charges of racism against their opponents. If Trump has succeeded at anything at all, he has made the smear tactics of the Left clearly apparent. Your race cards have expired. Ordinary Americans in "fly-over" country are sick of your slander.

You're amusing. If the term dog whistle is used in bad faith or in a way that distorts things, then you can complain. You haven't satisfied that 'if' yet. In the absence of such, your complaint is that because something can be abused, any use of it is therefore an example of abuse, which is ridiculous. But by all means, try to weasel out of the problems with your prior claims with this rather pathetic bit of bullshit. Whatever happened to replying to claims with objective facts? I guess that was as convenient a bunch of nonsense as this latest bit of nonsense, to be summarily discarded when it is to your advantage to do so.

Are you then committed to defending the racist practices Trump used in the example given? That he ended up having to redress those grievances which you apparently think didn't exist pretty much shows the hollowness of your latest rhetoric. You may not be a racist, but you are a dishonest and hypocritical twat. Take that and shove it along with your analysis of the left up your gaping asshole.

Quote:I'll read yours with an open mind. I invite you to do the same with this article: Quillette

You an open mind don't make me laugh .And more political bunk.Dog whistles exist and the right uses them .

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Quote:"Any statement about a member of group, whether positive or negative (let alone accurate or inaccurate), made by someone suspected of being racist (i.e., anyone on the Right), may be demonstrated, after sufficiently imaginative interpretation, to have associated categories with each other in an implicitly racist, dog-whistling way. Praising a particular black man as hard-working, for example, could be uncharitably interpreted as a subtle invocation of stereotypes that black people are lazy. With enough bad faith, anything is possible." - Bonevac, Association Arguments: Dog Whistling in the Dark

And this is a made up definition 

Quote:And that "bad faith" is exactly how the Left formulates their false charges of racism against their opponents. If Trump has succeeded at anything at all, he has made the smear tactics of the Left clearly apparent. Your race cards have expired. Ordinary Americans in "fly-over" country are sick of your slander.

And this is a bombardment of fake outrage of being called out and twisting it into your loony right wing persecution complex  .Your called racists because you are and you don't like us reminding you .That's it .

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(August 10, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Lucanus Wrote:

(August 10, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People who look for hidden meanings in everything end up wearing tinfoil hats, Khem. The Left has gone insane, paranoid of its own bigoted shadow.

^that's exactly the bait-and-switch tactic that dogwhistles allow you to perform. Besides, did you even read what I posted yesterday? Here, I'll copypaste the link for you: https://www.thenation.com/article/exclus...-strategy/

Dog whistles are a legitimate political tactic that has been used by the american right in the past 50 years if not more. Oh, and also, more recently, by alt-right fascists:


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Yup there denial changes nothing

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(August 10, 2018 at 12:37 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(August 10, 2018 at 12:32 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: So should people be able to demonstrate dislike of a person in political office was the point of this thread.

It said "harass" but refusing to serve someone is not harassing them, it is refusing to serve them and is neither threatening or disturbing..

Southern businesses and blacks... Christian bakers and gay weddings... the people not served frequently find it disturbing and upsetting.

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(August 10, 2018 at 12:35 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: As i said yes 

He didn't.

Quote:He already said he would not vote for a racist and did not vote Hilary

Yep, but he wouldn't say it's morally unacceptable to do so, as he would then either need to defend Hillary, or he'd be calling all the Hillary voters here immoral.

Lol you are deluded

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Quote:I've seen you tangle with Shell, and seen her also call out your bullshit sophistry.

So what is shell the arbitrator of truth 

Quote:If you're saying that all the people who voted for Hillary are immoral, then fair enough.

Now eat crow 

Quote:Seems pretty stupid though. If all the moral people abstain, then the immoral people get to make the decisions. Go figure

If the moral people vote in an immoral way they are no longer moral

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Quote:That's just her job.

Yup and she choose that job and bares the consequences .

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Quote:Of course I love it. If my opponent in a chess game makes a stupid play that costs him a piece, I love it.

To9o bad some of us don't view democracy as a game 

Quote:If he just doesn't show up and forfeits, that's even better!  

That says agreat deal about you and none of it's good 

(August 10, 2018 at 4:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I'll read yours with an open mind. I invite you to do the same with this article: Quillette

The authors analysis is little more than a shallow psychologism using Ricoeur and Sedgewick as little more than hand puppets. Both their and the author's views are self-undermining as they essentially fall under the fallacy of the stolen concept as both are an example of the analysis of suspicion which they claim to be undermining. I thought you didn't like post-modernism, Neo? I guess you'll adopt any tactic, no matter how inconsistent with your prior representations, as long as it supports your politics. Did I mention that you're a hypocrite who uses arguments of convenience to avoid substantively replying to the issue at hand? I think I did.

Quote:She's doing her job. That's neither lame, nor really a defense. It's a statement of fact. There's nothing to defend, as you haven't made any explicit charges.

What's this ambiguous loathsome behavior?

Yes it is all the above

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Quote:People who look for hidden meanings in everything end up wearing tinfoil hats, Khem. The Left has gone insane, paranoid of its own bigoted shadow.

Too bad it's not everything just Right Wing rhetoric

 

And even more often a cigar like right wing talking points are fake . That's not paranoia that's a simple fact .

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Quote:I categorically reject the idea of "dog-whistles". I cannot say it better than another has already done:

Wow how convenient

(August 10, 2018 at 5:59 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:I categorically reject the idea of "dog-whistles". I cannot say it better than another has already done:

Wow how convenient

It's almost as if there's a market in helping racists feel better about their racism. 

For a recap, this thread was created to flog the right wing grievance complex....but what's happened?  One right winger has flat out stated that they knowingly voted for a racist nitwit because they thought that maybe they'd get some shit out of it..and the other...is still pretending that there's no such thing as racism in the party that's defined itself by catering to racists. Willingly.

These....fucking...people...........

If the racist shit is so much of a problem that you have to go full retard to avoid culpability....maybe you should just stop....?

(August 10, 2018 at 3:14 pm)Khemikal Wrote: What's the world coming to when you can't even use a racist dog whistle without being identified as a racist, amiright!

Whatcha think about terms like house n***** or Uncle Tom?