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The death penalty makes no sense.
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 (August 14, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started! I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics. Strange fruit.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (August 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Cyberman Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started! I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics. By their fruits ye shall know them. 
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Takes about a half a second to get to know me by my fruits. They're complete assholes. All of em.
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(August 15, 2018 at 12:54 am)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(August 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Cyberman Wrote: Strange fruit. On a gloomy Sunday?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am by robvalue.)
(August 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 12:11 pm)robvalue Wrote: The non-revenge arguments I can see for the death penalty are the financial burden on society, the potential risk they pose while still alive, and the jail space they take up that has a knock-on effect. I do agree that being killed is somewhat getting off lightly, I'd rather be killed than spend my life in jail anyday.Costs more to kill them than to jail them, if we were worried about the risk they pose to fellow inmates we wouldn't be killing inmates, and jails are hella profitable per sq foot - especially when they're wildly over cap. Oh really? I wasn't aware that killing would be more expensive. I have heard about jails being profitable, and that itself being an issue. My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument. I hadn't put enough thought into the issues when I previously held my pro-penalty position. This forum was actually the catalyst to thinking it all through more carefully, maybe 3 years ago now, and I changed my mind. I was thinking of making a thread about what issues this forum has caused people to reconsider. Feel free to send me a private message.
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August 15, 2018 at 2:19 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 2:23 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Oh really? I wasn't aware that killing would be more expensive. I have heard about jails being profitable, and that itself being an issue.Yeah. It's more expensive to kill them than to keep them. Quote:My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument.Jailbreaks aren't exactly common.  Quote:I hadn't put enough thought into the issues when I previously held my pro-penalty position. This forum was actually the catalyst to thinking it all through more carefully, maybe 3 years ago now, and I changed my mind. I was thinking of making a thread about what issues this forum has caused people to reconsider. First person I ever shot was the catalyst for me. I suddenly had all sorts of questions. Turns out, I wasn't actually comfortable shooting people. Not that this stopped me from doing it again, mind. If people want somebody dead..I'll do it with my own two hands..I just cant blow smoke up my own ass about what I or we are doing.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 15, 2018 at 2:38 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 2:39 am by Cyberman.)
(August 15, 2018 at 2:19 am)Khemikal Wrote:(August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote: My concerns are more about dangerous people escaping, but I think that's probably too rare to justify an argument. I was once worried that the carrier bag around my groceries wouldn't make it home, so I ate all the shopping to be on the safe side. I mean, I could have gone for a stronger bag, or double bagged, but where's the fun in that?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 15, 2018 at 3:29 am
(This post was last modified: August 15, 2018 at 3:30 am by Amarok.)
(August 15, 2018 at 1:56 am)robvalue Wrote:1.Death row is quite expensive(August 14, 2018 at 12:29 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Costs more to kill them than to jail them, if we were worried about the risk they pose to fellow inmates we wouldn't be killing inmates, and jails are hella profitable per sq foot - especially when they're wildly over cap. 2.Indeed it's is rare Really the one argument i have seen that might work is the notion the idea that it's crueler to jail someone for life then kill them . I argue that a prisoner should be given the option to die if they want .As i don't view suffer as equal to justice.
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Inuit Proverb  (August 15, 2018 at 12:25 am)Cyberman Wrote:(August 14, 2018 at 11:49 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I thought I was digging all the holes...I've already started! I can only grow -dese fruits- for so long before I have to amend the soil with organics. You leave Vorls out of this!! ☺
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