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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
(August 17, 2018 at 12:00 am)The Valkyrie Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:56 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Then we apply justice again it's the only right choice
I'm very sorry for your loss but i cannot support an unjust method of punishment .
Oh well.
So long as you're sorry, that justifies the death of their loved one!
See, I don't think it's worth the risk of releasing (look out, more plain talk) a mass murdering piece of shit back into society. I'm not saying i'm sorry justifies it but it's all i can morally do
And i think it's worth it to give them a chance and more importantly not become a cruel society that exemplifies vengeance.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am
(August 16, 2018 at 11:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Can we not do this, honestly? I define justice as something identifiably separate from emotional satisfaction. That really ought to be enough to contextualize my question..shouldn't it? We're not really arguing that point...surely...?
I’m not trying to be dishonest. I think of justice as the person who harmed is punished; to the point they can feel the pain they caused.
Is that the purpose of justice? Or is it just a crude means, chosen in a cruder time and susceptible to improvement, adopted in the hopes that it will contribute towards attainment of Justice?
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:06 am
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Quote:And that's exactly why I did it.
Did what?
Quote:In the country I currently live in a person can murder someone, get "life" in prison and be out in eight years.
Yes based on good behavior thus the possibility they have changed
Quote:Thar's not punishment. It's an extended holiday!
Yes it is because prison is a punishment
Quote:Where does it end, though?
"50 years is inhumane!"
"40 years is inhumane!"
Could be depending on how old the prisoner is to how long they have left .
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:10 am
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(August 17, 2018 at 12:03 am)Anomalocaris Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:57 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m not trying to be dishonest. I think of justice as the person who harmed is punished; to the point they can feel the pain they caused.
Is that the purpose of justice? Or is it just a crude means, chosen in a cruder time and susceptible to improvement, adopted in the hopes that it will contribute towards attainment of Justice?
It is the purpose of justice.
You guys are making a slippery slope fallacy.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
Quote:It is the purpose of justice.
Then you have an odd idea of justice .
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:12 am
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A slippery slope fallacy is only a fallacy when the slope isn't slippery.
Looking at our system of justice, and our history with the death penalty, do you think that the slope isn't slippery? I think that we've already fallen entirely on our asses.
Not that I have to hang my hat there. It's just one of the reasons I've included in thread.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:13 am
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(August 17, 2018 at 12:12 am)Khemikal Wrote: A slippery slope fallacy is only a fallacy when the slope isn;t slippery.
Looking at our system of justice, and our history with the death penalty, do you think that the slope isn't slippery? I think that we've already fallen entirely on our asses. More then once i might add
I'm just going to clarify i totally reject the idea of the "just dessert theory of justice " i argue it has no moral foundation and is steeped in mystic even religious foundations .
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:30 am
(August 17, 2018 at 12:02 am)Khemikal Wrote: (August 16, 2018 at 11:58 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Where does it end, though?
"50 years is inhumane!"
"40 years is inhumane!"
It ends whenever they're no longer a danger to others. If that's never..it's never. If it's five years, it's five years. We put people in these cages to prevent them from doing further harm..not so that we can do harm to them.
And many reoffend when released.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:32 am
That sounds more like an argument to keep them incarcerated and/or in treatment than a reason to kill them.
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RE: The death penalty makes no sense.
August 17, 2018 at 12:36 am
Quote:And many reoffend when released.
And many don't and that argues for a greater investment in rehabilitation.
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