(August 26, 2018 at 11:49 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 11:20 pm)Joods Wrote: AM - I'm aware that you didn't say that I insulted you. However, I was just putting it out there because I sensed your frustration in trying to have a civil conversation. I was trying to be sympathetic.

Wait.

Someone needs insulting?

Give me a name and butt hurt level!

My ex. 

Butt hurt level - Epic. 

annnnnnnd go!

I'm sorry Beta Fail the high lord of mean spirited snark  has the balls to whine about being insulted for saying something stupid .I'll call Wambulance  for a case of third degree butt hurt .

(August 26, 2018 at 8:37 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Either way, given the control of both houses of congress, even if Mueller has something, I suspect he will wait until after the midterms.  Given that his investigation still seems to have a lot of work left to do, I doubt he would even move that soon.  But then, if midterms don't go well for Democrats, Kavanaugh's confirmation comes due, and Trump turns toward replacement of Jeff Sessions, there may be incentive for taking actions sooner rather than later.

If that's true - that Mueller is timing release of information for poilitical purposes - don't you find that disturbing?

No, I don't. First of all, I would reject your characterization of it as political and merely call it strategic. The justice system in this country is adversarial in nature. If the special prosecutor feels that a crime has been committed, it his duty to present those charges in the best light possible. In that he is acting no differently than a lawyer who selects jury members who will be favorably disposed to his case. Moreover, the special prosecutor is specifically assigned because of a potential conflict of interest between the normal prosecutorial mechanisms and a just result. If a conflict of interest exists in congress regarding prosecution of charges against Trump, then Mueller is simply doing his job by navigating those conflicts of interest. So, I reject your characterization of it as political. Even if my speculations are true, he is not doing it to obtain political advantage, but rather in the interests of justice. Furthermore, my general inclination is that Mueller will release the information when he's good and ready to do so, and that likely won't come until after the midterms and Kavanaugh's confirmation. Given Mueller's history as a Republican, I find concerns about his politicizing the investigation somewhat laughable. What I think concerns you is that Mueller might succeed in getting Trump impeached.

(August 26, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: But then, if midterms don't go well for Democrats, Kavanaugh's confirmation comes due, and Trump turns toward replacement of Jeff Sessions, there may be incentive for taking actions sooner rather than later.

I stand by my characterization of that as political. I don't see how else it can be taken.

Quote:I stand by my characterization of that as political. I don't see how else it can be taken.

Of course your going too you'll stand by it even as they cart Trump away. And conspiracy speculation is just that .

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Quote:If that's true - that Mueller is timing release of information for poilitical purposes - don't you find that disturbing?

Too bad he didn't

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(August 27, 2018 at 7:54 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 8:37 pm)alpha male Wrote: If that's true - that Mueller is timing release of information for poilitical purposes - don't you find that disturbing?

No, I don't.  First of all, I would reject your characterization of it as political and merely call it strategic.  The justice system in this country is adversarial in nature.  If the special prosecutor feels that a crime has been committed, it his duty to present those charges in the best light possible.  In that he is acting no differently than a lawyer who selects jury members who will be favorably disposed to his case.  Moreover, the special prosecutor is specifically assigned because of a potential conflict of interest between the normal prosecutorial mechanisms and a just result.  If a conflict of interest exists in congress regarding prosecution of charges against Trump, then Mueller is simply doing his job by navigating those conflicts of interest.  So, I reject your characterization of it as political.  Even if my speculations are true, he is not doing it to obtain political advantage, but rather in the interests of justice.  Furthermore, my general inclination is that Mueller will release the information when he's good and ready to do so, and that likely won't come until after the midterms and Kavanaugh's confirmation.  Given Mueller's history as a Republican, I find concerns about his politicizing the investigation somewhat laughable.  What I think concerns you is that Mueller might succeed in getting Trump impeached.

And Beta response to a mountain of logic and reason provided  by you with "i stand by my ludicrous conspiracy nuttery"

(August 27, 2018 at 8:06 am)alpha male Wrote:

(August 26, 2018 at 1:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: But then, if midterms don't go well for Democrats, Kavanaugh's confirmation comes due, and Trump turns toward replacement of Jeff Sessions, there may be incentive for taking actions sooner rather than later.

I stand by my characterization of that as political. I don't see how else it can be taken.

You can double down on your prior characterization all you want, unless you can explain how doing so would be inconsistent with Mueller's mandate as special prosecutor then your characterization is baseless.

(August 27, 2018 at 8:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 8:06 am)alpha male Wrote: I stand by my characterization of that as political. I don't see how else it can be taken.

You can double down on your prior characterization all you want, unless you can explain how doing so would be inconsistent with Mueller's mandate as special prosecutor then your characterization is baseless.

Thought the reasoning was obvious. If it's not political, he should release the results when he's satisfied that there complete. Things like Kavanaufh and Sessions aren't relevant.

Quote:Thought the reasoning was obvious. If it's not political, he should release the results when he's satisfied that there complete. Things like Kavanaufh and Sessions aren't relevant.

More rubbish that did not refute a thing Jorm pointed out .

(August 27, 2018 at 9:25 am)alpha male Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 8:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You can double down on your prior characterization all you want, unless you can explain how doing so would be inconsistent with Mueller's mandate as special prosecutor then your characterization is baseless.

Thought the reasoning was obvious. If it's not political, he should release the results when he's satisfied that there complete. Things like Kavanaufh and Sessions aren't relevant.

Sure. But Mueller is not so satisfied and thus has not. This is exactly what you claim to expect of him.

Oh, and you borked "they're" and "Kavanaugh".  But since you are a Trump supporter not unexpected.

(August 27, 2018 at 10:53 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Sure. But Mueller is not so satisfied and thus has not. This is exactly what you claim to expect of him.

You're not following the discussion. Jorm is suggesting that Mueller take other - political - factors into consideration, yet claiming that doing so wouldn't be political.

Quote:Oh, and you borked "they're" and "Kavanaugh".  But since you are a Trump supporter not unexpected.

Shuv it up you're Covfefe.

Seriously though, how do you disregard Tiz and others, yet nitpick me? This attitude is part of why Trump won.