(September 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(September 13, 2018 at 8:16 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Does god exist in your reality?

There isn’t a my reality and a your reality.  If God is true or not, is true for both of us.

If.

Yes, we both live in the same reality.

However, theists have created for themselves this delusion whereby god exists in reality, especially to the extent where no evidence for his existence somehow still means he exists. 

Atheists forego with the delusion, won't accept it, and thus accept reality for how it provides zero evidence for god's existence. 

Reasonably, theists are delusional when it comes to matters of religious faith in a realistic world where a god does not exist.

That's just how it is: realistic. Because wanting a god to exist contrary to the evidence is simply not realistic.

(September 14, 2018 at 2:22 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 13, 2018 at 8:22 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: There isn’t a my reality and a your reality.  If God is true or not, is true for both of us.

If.

Yes, we both live in the same reality.

However, theists have created for themselves this delusion whereby god exists in reality, especially to the extent where no evidence for his existence somehow still means he exists. 

Atheists forego with the delusion, won't accept it, and thus accept reality for how it provides zero evidence for god's existence. 

Reasonably, theists are delusional when it comes to matters of religious faith in a realistic world where a god does not exist.

That's just how it is: realistic. Because wanting a god to exist contrary to the evidence is simply not realistic.

Do you think that shifting the burden of proof justifies your claim? The religious person could do this as well, but I view that as fallacious reasoning. It’s another atheist delusion that theists point to no evidence for God, but if we are both just assuming our view is true, and it’s up to the other to show it as false, then we are not going to get very far.

(September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Do you think that shifting the burden of proof justifies your claim?  The religious person could do this as well, but I view that as fallacious reasoning. It’s another atheist delusion that theists point to no evidence for God, but if we are both just assuming our view is true, and it’s up to the other to show it as false, then we are not going to get very far.

You are correct. Theists claim to have evidence. Unfortunately, they don't. Real evidence, the kind that influences the minds of everyone, would be the kind of evidence that did not have to be downgraded to "personal" because of the fact that it is not evidence at all.

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god. That is truth, that is reality.

If I wanted to believe in something based merely on the "personal" desire for it to be real over the truth of reality, then I would be a theist who has deluded himself for mere comfort.

(September 14, 2018 at 4:48 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 4:43 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Do you think that shifting the burden of proof justifies your claim?  The religious person could do this as well, but I view that as fallacious reasoning. It’s another atheist delusion that theists point to no evidence for God, but if we are both just assuming our view is true, and it’s up to the other to show it as false, then we are not going to get very far.

You are correct. Theists claim to have evidence. Unfortunately, they don't. Real evidence, the kind that influences the minds of everyone, would be the kind of evidence that did not have to be downgraded to "personal" because of the fact that it is not evidence at all.

There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god. That is truth, that is reality.

If I wanted to believe in something based merely on the "personal" desire for it to be real over the truth of reality, then I would be a theist who has deluded himself for mere comfort.

I don’t claim it’s true, because of a personal desire. And to say that theist don’t provide any evidence or reason is a delusion and irrational. You can argue against those reasons and give your reason why you think they are insufficient. But to pretend they don’t exist is delusional thinking.

(September 14, 2018 at 4:53 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t claim it’s true, because of a personal desire. And to say that theist don’t provide any evidence or reason is a delusion and irrational. You can argue against those reasons and give your reason why you think they are insufficient. But to pretend they don’t exist is delusional thinking.

I'm not speaking of your ability to reason outside of religious thought. No doubt, you're quite reasonable for the exception of your religious beliefs.

Our ability to perceive what we do is reality. Our ability to experience something beyond our perception is unrealistic, for it signifies the strength of one's imagination rather than one's tether to reality.

(September 14, 2018 at 4:58 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 4:53 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don’t claim it’s true, because of a personal desire. And to say that theist don’t provide any evidence or reason is a delusion and irrational. You can argue against those reasons and give your reason why you think they are insufficient. But to pretend they don’t exist is delusional thinking.

I'm not speaking of your ability to reason outside of religious thought. No doubt, you're quite reasonable for the exception of your religious beliefs.

Our ability to perceive what we do is reality. Our ability to experience something beyond our perception is unrealistic, for it signifies the strength of one's imagination rather than one's tether to reality.

You missed the point that you argument is a straw man. And I’m questioning the reason or evidence for your claim here. So far it just seems to be fallacious reasoning.

(September 14, 2018 at 5:02 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You missed the point that you argument is a straw man.  And I’m questioning the reason or evidence for your claim here. So far it just seems to be fallacious reasoning.

What I'm perceiving is a theist resorting to cognitive dissonance by whatever means at his disposal; especially resorting to fallacies that do not pertain to my arguments. Nice try, though.

(September 14, 2018 at 5:06 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 5:02 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: You missed the point that you argument is a straw man.  And I’m questioning the reason or evidence for your claim here. So far it just seems to be fallacious reasoning.

What I'm perceiving is a theist resorting to cognitive dissonance by whatever means at his disposal; especially resorting to fallacies that do not pertain to my arguments. Nice try, though.

What is your argument? So far it seems like false things that I don’t believe, pointing to others, and nothing which supports your claim about reality.

(September 14, 2018 at 5:09 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What is your argument? So far it seems like false things that I don’t believe, pointing to others, and nothing which supports your claim about reality.

It would help if you didn't cling to beliefs that are unrealistic.

(September 14, 2018 at 5:11 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 14, 2018 at 5:09 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: What is your argument? So far it seems like false things that I don’t believe, pointing to others, and nothing which supports your claim about reality.

It would help if you didn't cling to beliefs that are unrealistic.

I’m asking you, how you come to the conclusion that they are unrealistic? Why should I believe your claims here?