Kind of hard to say. Sometimes Jesus sounds like a hippie, and sometimes he says he's come with a sword to set family members against each other. Not to mention when he comes back, he's going to kill a lot of people with fire. He's also the one who decided non christians who die will be sent to a place often described as a lake of fire. At least when OT God killed you, he stopped there.

(September 15, 2018 at 2:42 pm)Chad32 Wrote: At least when OT God killed you, he stopped there.

Well, the OT God didn't torture you for eternity, true. But he didn't always just "stop there" when he killed you. Sometimes he killed your livestock and sold your daughters into sex slavery.

Christianity and Jesus are like clay: you mould it to be whatever you want it to be and then tell all other people that they don't understand the real message of the Bible and your Christianity is the real one.

Does what fucking jesus "said" ( assuming he said anything ) really matter?  Jesusism is a cult.  They do what their leader says.

Yeah. Jesus hasn't mattered in a long time. Now it's just about doing what your local pastor says, and make sure to give money to the church.

(September 15, 2018 at 3:52 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Does what fucking jesus "said" ( assuming he said anything ) really matter?  Jesusism is a cult.  They do what their leader says.

Sometimes you gotta give your opponents a little slack, and approach an argument on their terms in order to make a point to them.

No religion is pacifist. Like any entity humans are involved in, political, economic or religious, those groups and even sub sects of those groups seek to keep or gain. It is true depending on time, frame climate and geography if a certain group or sub sect can seek and do seek "peace", but ultimately it is still about maintaining and or gaining. And knowing times change, "peaceful" now, does not mean peaceful forever.

If Buddhism, for example were a "peaceful" religion, you would not see the history of conflict in Asia and the Orient between those sects of Buddhism.

I wouldn't get stuck on labels. Most humans are decent, but it is easy to sell any group of humans a utopia be it economic, political or religious. The key isn't to compare the flaws in any group, but to ultimately understand our species is far older than any of our modern labels, and we are all capable of both great cruelty and great compassion.

I am no fan of old mythology of any label, but it still isn't a matter of camps, but understanding we are still the same species.

Christianity is unto pacifism as bacon is onto vegetables. It has been noted above that there are bible passages that commend peace and there are ones that demand violence. That is because, like islam, christianity is a religion created by committees over a long period of time who were demanding radically different things of their followers, hence the schizophrenic messaging.