Good and evil comes down to mainly love and envy.  If you love God and his designate chosen exalted heroes,  everything falls into place, and it's the heart of goodness.  If you envy them, then the soul will deceive itself beyond repair eventually and it's the heart of evil.

As for those neither envy nor love the words of God brought life, because, they aren't aware of the proofs proving these pathways to God and can't find a way to either disbelieve in them or have faith in them, they are tried differently, and God willingly they will be forgiven in most cases, provided they didn't fall beyond limits of their humanity.

The great fight between good and evil, hence, has come down to the sectarian divide between Shiite and Sunni,  and that is where it's at,  one with clear proofs and clear insights from Quran and the other trying to blind people to clear insights and proofs and make dark what the Quran brightens and manifests.

O God bless Mohammad and the family of Mohammad just as you blessed Abraham and the family of Abraham, and make me not among the enemies of the final family of the reminder.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:16 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Brian, the Quran has proven, all differences and divisions are about the great tiding and instance of that in the past, was Jesus, the word of truth by which they dispute.

Whether it's denial of it or giving this position to Angels or Jinns or gods, or whatever, or lowering it so normal humans take that position with no proof,  all divisions stem from it and regarding it.

All divisions - down to every small sect, is regarding the word of God's light brought to life.

Nothing to do with evolution.

Nope sorry, the Koran is simply a rewrite of the bible, and the bible is a rewrite of Jewish texts and Jews stole their God character Yahweh from the Canaanites.

Just a mythological version of Coke vs Pepsi vs Dr Pepper, all sodas.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:16 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Brian, the Quran has proven, all differences and divisions are about the great tiding and instance of that in the past, was Jesus, the word of truth by which they dispute.

Whether it's denial of it or giving this position to Angels or Jinns or gods, or whatever, or lowering it so normal humans take that position with no proof,  all divisions stem from it and regarding it.

All divisions - down to every small sect, is regarding the word of God's light brought to life.

Nothing to do with evolution.

Nope sorry, the Koran is simply a rewrite of the bible, and the bible is a rewrite of Jewish texts and Jews stole their God character Yahweh from the Canaanites.

Just a mythological version of Coke vs Pepsi vs Dr Pepper, all sodas.

How many times have you read the Quran and what effort have you done to understand it?

(October 7, 2018 at 11:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:35 am)Brian37 Wrote: Nope sorry, the Koran is simply a rewrite of the bible, and the bible is a rewrite of Jewish texts and Jews stole their God character Yahweh from the Canaanites.

Just a mythological version of Coke vs Pepsi vs Dr Pepper, all sodas.

How many times have you read the Quran and what effort have you done to understand it?

I haven't read Harry Potter either, but I am sure you don't blindly swallow that as a holy book do you?

Mo was simply a claim made by the writers of that book in an attempt to "correct" the bible. But again, that really is nothing more that Pepsi looking at Coke having a cherry flavored soda and saying, "I can out compete that version and make a better soda more people will like."


RoadRunner is in exact same boat you are.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:41 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: How many times have you read the Quran and what effort have you done to understand it?

I haven't read Harry Potter either, but I am sure you don't blindly swallow that as a holy book do you?

Mo was simply a claim made by the writers of that book in an attempt to "correct" the bible. But again, that really is nothing more that Pepsi looking at Coke having a cherry flavored soda and saying, "I can out compete that version and make a better soda more people will like."


RoadRunner is in exact same boat you are.

To you, we all seem similar in this respect. But the only way for you to know who has the stronger position, is to study. I believe Mohammad and the 12 Imams are in the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels... so I don't think the holy scriptures of the past did a bad job or anything, even there is some corruptions here and there in them.

The Quran manifests a way to understand them, but to understand that, you need insights from the family of the reminder, that help you reflect and break the sorcery regarding the Quran and all divine books of the past.

I was on a similar boat as you years ago thinking all religious people were deluded.   I know how that can appear to be reality.

You won't be able to refute me or accept my position, if you don't study and strive to learn.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:41 am)Brian37 Wrote: I haven't read Harry Potter either, but I am sure you don't blindly swallow that as a holy book do you?

Mo was simply a claim made by the writers of that book in an attempt to "correct" the bible. But again, that really is nothing more that Pepsi looking at Coke having a cherry flavored soda and saying, "I can out compete that version and make a better soda more people will like."


RoadRunner is in exact same boat you are.

To you, we all seem similar in this respect. But the only way for you to know who has the stronger position, is to study. I believe Mohammad and the 12 Imams are in the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels... so I don't think the holy scriptures of the past did a bad job or anything, even there is some corruptions here and there in them.

The Quran manifests a way to understand them, but to understand that, you need insights from the family of the reminder, that help you reflect and break the sorcery regarding the Quran and all divine books of the past.

I was on a similar boat as you years ago thinking all religious people were deluded.   I know how that can appear to be reality.

You won't be able to refute me or accept my position, if you don't study and strive to learn.

NO, you are similar, as with every religion in the world. Mythology falsely believed to be fact.

EVERY religion in the world amounts to the same thing, artificial clubs humans invented, buy and sell and compete over. 

Not buying any crap about a magic man in the sky knowing how old and big our universe is. I don't need old mythology of any label to accept my finite reality nor to be good. I simply wish more humans could accept this is it.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:49 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:46 am)MysticKnight Wrote: To you, we all seem similar in this respect. But the only way for you to know who has the stronger position, is to study. I believe Mohammad and the 12 Imams are in the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels... so I don't think the holy scriptures of the past did a bad job or anything, even there is some corruptions here and there in them.

The Quran manifests a way to understand them, but to understand that, you need insights from the family of the reminder, that help you reflect and break the sorcery regarding the Quran and all divine books of the past.

I was on a similar boat as you years ago thinking all religious people were deluded.   I know how that can appear to be reality.

You won't be able to refute me or accept my position, if you don't study and strive to learn.

NO, you are similar, as with every religion in the world. Mythology falsely believed to be fact.

EVERY religion in the world amounts to the same thing, artificial clubs humans invented, buy and sell and compete over. 

Not buying any crap about a magic man in the sky knowing how old and big our universe is. I don't need old mythology of any label to accept my finite reality nor to be good. I simply wish more humans could accept this is it.

Asserting this won't make it true, to truly know, you have to study.

The simplest answer is that theists, who don't view their god as a hateful tyrant, ascribe to the same loving nature as him.

(October 7, 2018 at 11:25 am)Minimalist Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:10 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It’s not hate (for many). I’m thinking you are confusing standing up for right and wrong as hate. Or perhaps this is just your own hate and intolerance being reflected.

No mirrors in your house, eh RR?

Plenty... and I use them as well.

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(October 7, 2018 at 11:30 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 7, 2018 at 11:10 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It’s not hate (for many). I’m thinking you are confusing standing up for right and wrong as hate. Or perhaps this is just your own hate and intolerance being reflected.

No. It's often the Xtians that refer to hate. Whether it's because they hold up signs saying God Hates Fags, or videos like my brother made who talks about God absolutely hating sin.

The word is most often first used by Xtians I find. I'm wondering why this is.

I’ve never made any signs. However hating a thing, is not the same as hating a person. And even then, I would suggest looking into exactly what they mean by the word.

Their tiny minds can only maintain so much. Since, hatred requires nothing more than the most rudimentary understanding, their brain's processing power is at its peak.