(October 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think they are all christian?

Sure people who go to church show up but so do people who think killing babies is wrong no matter what their faith.

The idea that humans are "killing babies" by aborting zygotes is primarily a religious one, because of the soul theory.

And by the way, "killing babies" is hate-talk.

(October 9, 2018 at 6:03 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think they are all christian?

Sure people who go to church show up but so do people who think killing babies is wrong no matter what their faith.

The idea that humans are "killing babies" by aborting zygotes is primarily a religious one, because of the soul theory.

And by the way, "killing babies" is hate-talk.

It's their favorite guilt tactic and demonetization tool

(October 9, 2018 at 7:52 pm)Tizheruk Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 6:03 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote: The idea that humans are "killing babies" by aborting zygotes is primarily a religious one, because of the soul theory.

And by the way, "killing babies" is hate-talk.

It's their favorite guilt tactic and demonetization tool

You know, for people who hate abortion so much (those that do, I'm excluding the liberal Christians here) they're REALLY opposed to birth control and sex ed and can't even be bothered to research which strategies are actually effective in reducing abortion. It's almost as if they don't actually give a shit about bringing the abortion rate down, but instead want to make grand empty gestures while waving about an issue of... well not EXACTLY of their own making but damned close... to get everyone to unthinkingly vote the way the priests want them to.

Given their strategy, it's not really abortions most of the pro-life movement are against, it's that to them, being legal implies condoning it. They want it to be officially condemned by the government, even if that isn't as effective a strategy (see Colorado) for reducing the actual abortion rate as comprehensive sex education and ready access to birth control methods. And lately, many of the same people seem to be against ready access to birth control.

(October 10, 2018 at 9:07 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Given their strategy, it's not really abortions most of the pro-life movement is against, it's that to them, being legal implies condoning it. They want it to be officially condemned by the government, even if that isn't as effective a strategy (see Colorado) for reducing the actual abortion rate as comprehensive sex education and ready access to birth control methods. And lately, many of the same people seem to be against ready access to birth control.

The way some theists are campaigning, they seem to suggest that because it's legal, you HAVE to have an abortion.

I'm an Atheist, and I'm not somebody that would choose for a women to have an abortion, if it was my personal choice. I have a child and it didn't cross my mind when my wife told me she was pregnant (it was a "surprise" to say the least). I did, however, check this is something she wanted, and was ok with because if she didn't want to have our child, then it's a discussion to be had.

For those that don't want children for whatever reason (some simply that they don't want it, others going as far as perhaps they were raped etc) then it should be an option for sure. While it should be an option, education into sex and contraception would be the way to reduce the abortion rates overall, which I believe has been proven to be true.

(October 9, 2018 at 2:35 pm)adey67 Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: what the f do you know I have NEVER even spoken to you about anything at length.. all you could possible know is what the people here whom I have repeatedly and systematical taken apart over the years.

Are you too frighten to put your own self out there to think for your self? are you so afraid of being humiliated that you will allow others to do your thinking for you? you have 30 posts and what a few day here, with no real inneraction with me, yet you speak as an expert.

That my friend is a shinning example of a disingenuous and dishonest assessment. you have no debate experience with me and yet you speak as if you do.
yet you do not care. because integrity means nothing to you or people like you. you see a band wagon and you jump on it rather than get your own hands dirty.. you sport are a human lemming. You just follow the crowd and mirror what they think even if they all jump off a cliff.

That said here is another place where you are wrong. Pride in God is never a sin. I have made no bones about where my wisdom comes from, and I know I would be nothing without the guidance of the Holy Spirit and direct access to God. My pride is in the fact that He would use me to set his record straight here. And in following in the foot steps of Christ I have no qualms in humiliating, embarrassing, the religious know it alls here I have no problem making the wise and learned look foolish and I have no problems putting people who pretend to teach or represent God's law in full check. 

Do you want to know why I've been here so long and why I have over 10,000 posts? because 1 I can and do operate with n the rules. 2 I make a legitimate effort to accurately represent the Christian side of the debate. Just because none of your peers could ever breach that wall is not about me or my ability. it because they are foolishly arguing against God's word. I have simply been used as one who wields this sword.

You know maybe you should also put me on ignore so you do not have to ever respond and loose, then if you stick around you can say you never lost a debate with me.

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Actually christian hatred is the OP of this thread. I simply tied what you said back to the topic being discussed.

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meaning what I said above... christians can not hate or literally by God's word they are not saved. Hence Hate is a human problem not a christian problem

Ha Ha Ha, nope, I don't think I'll put you on ignore you're too fucking amusing, anyone who needs to invoke how long they have been here and how many posts they have made in comparison to me and who gets so butt hurt by a newbie sniffing them out is actually clearly seriously bothered by what I said and if I was so insignificant then why even bother responding oh prideful one ? BTW its lose not loose, if you're gonna go head to head with others spelling is important, its my experience that the more angry a person gets and the more disturbed they feel then the more likely they are to make typos and spelling mistakes. Truth is you do not like being contradicted you cannot abide the thought of a world without a magical deity and you cannot stand that perhaps there are people who don't believe there is a god, their disbelief offends you and makes you feel insecure and the anger boils up.
I thank you though, I'm learning so much from you, as in what not to do or how not to be, thanks so much for that I really appreciate it.

So that's all you got? You whole methodology of my destruction is pointing out how you think my butt feels and spelling and grammar errors... I notice you never mentioned content.. wonder why. Oh, that's right, because that is a thinking man's approach and you already demonstrated that you want others to do your thinking for you IE: declaring who I was based on how the butts of your peers feel after years of failing to silence me. Noice nuub.. The reason I mention your limited time here is because there has been no interaction between us in your first 30 post and you have the wherewithal to speak of me from first person perspective, which again you do not have. This again is evidence displaying that you allow others to develop opinions for you, which is also why your declaration above is limited to 'grading papers for spelling and punctuation errors.' (you do not seem to be smart enough to address topical points.) Only ad hom fire from the side lines. I do not foresee you role here (judging by your current involvement) to be much more than a waldorf/mortimore puppet/sock of some other douche who doesn't want their name tarnished by me by attacking me head on.. rather use you to test out different attacks. 

I look forward to putting you back in check each and every time you feel the need to parrot back one of your peers thoughts about me.

(October 7, 2018 at 10:42 am)Mathilda Wrote: Obviously not all of them. Some are just default Xtians who happen to have been raised in a country where Xtianity is the predominant religion. But I mean that ones who take it seriously. So many of them are full of hatred or ascribe this emotion to their god. God hates sin, homosexuals or anything or anyone not like them. Why is this?

Probably completely useless to say this here, but what the hell.

The mainstream Christian belief is that God loves everyone. It is a belief that is fundamental to Christianity, and I'm sure you knew that already. As far as I've seen, the only Christian religion that has openly claimed God hates any people are the Westboro Baptists - who are a group of like 30 people who exist no where else in the world. There are undoubtedly others out there, but they are by far the outliers and not a representation of mainstream Christianity.

So, why do people like the Westboros believe God hates literally everyone who isn't them? Probably because they are shitty people and it makes them feel good to put others down. And they use religion to do so as a way to feel righteous while doing something nasty.

With that being said, I am truly sorry for any Christian that has hurt you, treated you badly, and hated you when they should have loved you. Based on the many threads you've started here, it seems you've gone through pretty traumatic experiences by the hands of Christians. Your threads seem personal and emotionally driven. And I'm sorry about that. As much as it upsets me to see Christians acting hateful towards anyone, I'm sure it hurts God even more. It must hurt Him very much to see "His people" treating His other beloved children so badly.

As for sin, yes, we believe God hates sin. Sin is simply the Christian word for "immoral act." As far as I know, all good people should hate acts that are immoral - cheating, lying, stealing, killing, etc etc. I don't see the controversy in that.

PS- I do take my Christian faith seriously.

(October 9, 2018 at 4:04 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 3:59 pm)adey67 Wrote: Didn't this guy get banned from TTA? Idk but his name is somehow unpleasantly familiar.

Yeah back in 2014.

Didn't break any rules

Was ask a question about the bible gave an answer from the very same bible was kicked out for proselytizing. That is like asking a question from Thor volume 245 and using volume 245 to explain away the question then getting bann for preaching thor..

Seriously, was the 'thinking' atheists so fragile they were afraid to allow a bible quotation to be exegetically explained? Maybe that is why they are gone now. too many of the same thoughts are borning an people leave.

but at the same time you don't want your heavy hitters like old mathilda here to be made to look the fool. then who would protect the 'thinkers' from Godly logic and reason if people like her were too afraid to pipe up?

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(October 9, 2018 at 6:03 pm)Thoreauvian Wrote:

(October 9, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Drich Wrote: What makes you think they are all christian?

Sure people who go to church show up but so do people who think killing babies is wrong no matter what their faith.

The idea that humans are "killing babies" by aborting zygotes is primarily a religious one, because of the soul theory.

And by the way, "killing babies" is hate-talk.

I find that taking a child life is a wrong that will soon be rectified thanks justice cavanaugh   So the point will soon be moot.

(October 10, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously, was the 'thinking' atheists so fragile they were afraid to allow a bible quotation to be exegetically explained? Maybe that is why they are gone now. too many of the same thoughts are borning an people leave.

That community is alive and well.

(October 10, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote: but at the same time you don't want your heavy hitters like old mathilda here

How did you know that I had a penchant for hitting things?

(October 10, 2018 at 1:53 pm)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 10, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote: Seriously, was the 'thinking' atheists so fragile they were afraid to allow a bible quotation to be exegetically explained? Maybe that is why they are gone now. too many of the same thoughts are borning an people leave.

That community is alive and well.

(October 10, 2018 at 1:40 pm)Drich Wrote: but at the same time you don't want your heavy hitters like old mathilda here

How did you know that I had a penchant for hitting things?

I heard their days were numbered. never mind all the best to them. 

Heavy hitter is a term describing i use to describe someone who is not afraid to go line by line and discuss topical points like I do. rather than sum up an hours worth of writing with one or two remarks about the individual person rather than speak topically, like your buddy from ATA likes to do.