(October 8, 2018 at 1:49 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(September 30, 2018 at 4:15 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Xtianity was the tool of the slaveholders!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/30/nyreg...ss&emc=rss





The churches could be replaced by a WalMart and it would still be an improvement!

Um while everyone knows I am no fan of any old mythology, I am also not a fan of over simplifications of a complex species.

Neither religion, or private business are going to end on a planet of 7 billion. But, what can happen if more humans focus on what we have in common, like need of resources and stable lives, and not give religion or wealth monopolies of power, we could provide for more humans and create more stability worldwide.

Point being, sure, in my utopia there would be no religion at all, no greed in humans, in my pragmatic reality though, the only viable thing I can see is promoting anti monopoly concepts so that neither religion or business can exploit or abuse.

 It's like you are trying to think for yourself... So I will give you props for saying something you believe in, but it also seems you don't know enough about history to relate back to a time when all the things you said you wanted existed and in what society.

In essence you are describing the Roman empire and or current day china. either way those societies in order to bring you the peace and structure you want it only costs your individual freedoms, and thought. no religion, limits on business unless state controlled and own which is ok because it reduces the tax burden (unless business is slow) so the government can pay for all sorts of things like health care, food and housing. but with healthcare it is free up to your yearly limit which is based on the type of job you have. once you money runs out you are literally taken out of the hospital and if no one claims you you go to what amounts to a death camp. as they will not treat you, you are taken to a room to die. Old people's medical allocation are also greatly reduced. food quality varity and portion is also tightly controlled if you are under this government. There is no greed because everything belongs to the government, and you literally are not allowed to have items outside your station, and everything down to the gender and number of your children is regulated. This was true till the minister of war lifted this bann to swell the ranks of the army which is mandatory for everyone growing up to serve a term...

Everything you want... just no personal freedom.

Freedom is sloppy

Freedom allows one man to play video games and live with his mother till she dies and wills him the house, and it allows another man to begin work at 14 and work everyday till he dies and through a series of poor choices dies broke, while another man can take the same path but with better choices and discipline and a big push from God can become wealthy. Why hate the wealth man for working hard all of his life? He does not hate you meaning he does not wish for a world or a government to take away all your games and force you to get a job then take 1/2 of what you make and give it to someone they can't make work...

(October 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm)Drich Wrote: lol... so a group of black people who are not in league with black lives matter,  yet like the church teaches black people to embrace american culture, to put off the idea that black culture and american culture are two different things! to forgive slavery, to not seek reparations to help stomp out the lie of white privilege, and this group of black atheists also teach the morality of white america and tells black people all drugs are bad, that marriage is good, and sex out of wed lock is also bad... Whaaaat???? No you say? your group teaches the opposite? Didn't I already call that? or are you so busy being angry black person you are blindly agreeing with everything I am saying?

I am saying it is the church that keeps both cultures in line with one another it demands a single set of morals/rules to govern both equally. I am saying the church teaches absolute forgiveness/lest your atonement and forgiveness be lost.. to forgive anything black people feel owed by whites. I'm saying the church embraces and teaches the american dream. Wife Then kids House/morage family good job one has to work hard at. honest pay. In contrast to blm's demand that black families be given housing jobs by getting whites fired..  that white america be made to work around the black culture which is whatever anyone wants when they want it so long as their skin is the right shade of brown.

But I didn't say any of the shit you're saying. Those are idiotic leaps and racist bounds that you took on your own.

How else would you explain this notion you have of Black atheists teaching Black folks to unlearn "White morality" and replace it with a drastically different "Black morality", which somehow manages to include doing all of the drugs in this country, and engaging in the out-of-wedlock sex that 90% of ALL adults are ALREADY engaging in? 

You're so fucking stupid, it's unbelievable...LMFAO. 

What I told you was that a number of Black atheists moved on from BLM (I didn't state the reasons, as they vary; just that they moved on) and that the Black atheists in the spaces that I frequent are primarily focused lawful protest and getting out the vote...Not any of the dumb shit you're talking about. You seem to be bothered by those two things and quite anxious to deem them as un-American, despite the fact that they are both are critical for a functional democracy. 

Lol...If such is the case, wouldn't being opposed to citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights and their right to VOTE mean that YOU'RE the one who's actually being un-American? Let's face it; You are basing a LOT of your thoughts and questions on an authoritarian/theocratic fantasy version of America that only exists in your mind. You're a very confused man.

The Constitution is what demands a set of rules to govern all people equally, Drich. Not the church, or your Bible.

Quote:Thena wrote:
Do not tell me "No", Drich. I am a Black atheist, and I interact, engage in discussion, and exchange ideas with plenty of these folks online and in real life on almost a daily basis. And while many of them ARE interested in addressing some of the problems presented by White Supremacy as matter of fairness, burning America to the ground and "killing White people"  is not on the agenda.

 

Quote:None of this is about "kill whitey" moron, It is about embracing and establish black culture apart from an united american culture. Don't be fucking so stupid as to bring hate you have into a conversation where killing whitey had yet to even be uttered jokingly.

Well, you were the one who was talking about what Hell would be unleashed on the this great nation if big, scary, Negro bucks start roaming with streets without belief in your magical god, AND you alluded to the amount of ammo you have stashed away in the event that such a nightmare should occur.
Seemed like a reasonable conclusion, lol.

Quote:I am not arguing a "right/left position" I am speaking from the middle. I am speaking the same stuff MLK jr ask for demanded and himself taught! What floors me is "you people"/people who read this and do not understand Do not recognise the work words and efforts of MLK jr. That you see hate and bigotry in a man you pretend to praise. Which only goes to show how far from quality, people like you have strayed from. Meaning I was shown MLKjr position on the church and america. more specifically it's role in black america and how it is used to define and refine a people would would otherwise be lost to themselves and to soceity. MLKjr used the church as an example of the division in this country and how this country would be healed if it heeded the lesson of the same jesus we worshiped. I started out telling I came from a more than 1/2 black church and can tell you what a glimpse of mlkJr dream was about. Having seen this, and having seen modern black lead social groups outside the church in action
I can promise none of what MLKjr wanted will come from what these organized groups want for themselves.

Hold on...



Ahem...Pardon me. 
I have to do this every time some racist Bible-thumper tries to guilt Black people into "piping down" by bringing up MLK.

Quote:But here's the difference. here is the part that is not american at all. "we" not just white but every other nationality in this country mexican white european asians all use those rights to cast off the chains of the nations or states where we once lived so we could come here and live together as one people... Black people are using those right to divide this country so they can live as an independent people not subject to this nations rules or laws. (again so says the black panthers as well as blm.)

You might have a great number of people who do indeed are moderate and think as you do, but it is not an organized effort and like other unorganized effort all it will take is a strike at the heart of what you all believe and you all will be absorbed into other groups.. think MLKjr peaceful protests and nonviolent marches, once he the only real leader was gone.. what was left became militant. Which is why I keep asking for a group well known or as big as blm.. I'm not saying this is the standard right now by any means it is just an example of organized back society.. or go off shore the nation states of sub saharan africa. In essence show me a well organized black community that everyone would want to live in. For example As far as arab nations go I would think most of us would like to live in dubi if we had the means or money. Or Tokyo or seoul for asian countries. maybe one of those free everything danish countries for europe or cuba or puerto rico or a caribbean or cayman island for latino/cuban nations. Show me an example of a welcoming black community where people if they had the money would pay to live.

First of all, WHY should I accept your ridiculous assertion that Black American atheists will stop behaving as Americans, LOSE their morality, and inexplicably began taking on the identities of Blacks from various and random Black nations from around the globe to start with? Especially when I consider the fact that I know plenty of Black atheists and they ALL act like AMERICANS? 

And given that, why would I play Drich's little game of "Name me a Black community that everyone, including me, a blatant racist, would would want to live in"? 

I know of many wonderfully nice middle-class/upper-middle class Black communities, and could also post links and videos of some of the most affluent Black communities in US, but you'll just dream up some bullshit reason to redfine or reframe your request in an effort to  tell me NONE of them count, because they don't fit your assumptions. 
And you'll dismiss any country I provide as being poor and/or substandard in comparison to one of the richest nations in the world, all while REFUSING to examine the role that Western imperialism and colonialism played in HOW they got to be that way, and then you'll deem ALL of their citizens to be pieces of shit who are the creators of their own failure, even if they're from well-developing nations with emerging economies.

I get it, Drich. You don't like Black people and you can't stand the thought of live around a lot of them.
I'll be sure to inform the Hive that we're not to rent too many lots near your RV/camper, okay? No need for these hijinks.

Quote:Thena wrote:
Now I won't deny that there's an element among Blacks that IS vehemently anti-white and anti-American...but if you think that's predominantly coming from Black atheists, you're barking up the wrong tree. 

Ever heard of Black Liberation Theology?

Quote:honestly it is not even about them. I see those guys like the kkk or taliban their will always be extremist in all social groups and those few should not be used to judge everyone else.

(October 8, 2018 at 12:25 pm)wyzas Wrote: Hello Thena. It's wonderful to see you again.

Howdy, brewer. Thanks.

(October 10, 2018 at 4:42 am)Thena323 Wrote:

(October 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm)Drich Wrote: lol... so a group of black people who are not in league with black lives matter,  yet like the church teaches black people to embrace american culture, to put off the idea that black culture and american culture are two different things! to forgive slavery, to not seek reparations to help stomp out the lie of white privilege, and this group of black atheists also teach the morality of white america and tells black people all drugs are bad, that marriage is good, and sex out of wed lock is also bad... Whaaaat???? No you say? your group teaches the opposite? Didn't I already call that? or are you so busy being angry black person you are blindly agreeing with everything I am saying?

I am saying it is the church that keeps both cultures in line with one another it demands a single set of morals/rules to govern both equally. I am saying the church teaches absolute forgiveness/lest your atonement and forgiveness be lost.. to forgive anything black people feel owed by whites. I'm saying the church embraces and teaches the american dream. Wife Then kids House/morage family good job one has to work hard at. honest pay. In contrast to blm's demand that black families be given housing jobs by getting whites fired..  that white america be made to work around the black culture which is whatever anyone wants when they want it so long as their skin is the right shade of brown.

But I didn't say any of the shit you're saying. Those are idiotic leaps and racist bounds that you took on your own.

I know you didn't say those things moron... That is why I pointed them out to you as this is the topic of conversation not the racist/bigotted rant you went on. I am trying to reel you back from blind angery to giving you a chance to be on topic.

Quote:How else would you explain this notion you have of Black atheists teaching Black folks to unlearn "White morality" and replace it with a drastically different "Black morality", which somehow manages to include doing all of the drugs in this country, and engaging in the out-of-wedlock sex that 90% of ALL adults are ALREADY engaging in? 

Again not my term not my idealism. The idea of black morality started in higher learning institutions directed toward black people. Here is an example of black and white morality:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9oCp7xEPFU
the above just scratches the tip of the morality ice berg but it is recognition that a dual morality os present in this country.
This is not a good thing for a unified country. MLK JR idea not mine. if we want to be one people we can not be governed by two sets of laws. we need to seek to be one nation under God. (one people one set of rules)

Show me a black social structure that is not affiliated with the church who also does not endorse this dual morality?

Quote:You're so fucking stupid, it's unbelievable...LMFAO. 

Again MLK  Jr ideals not mine. what is stupid is you do not even recognise his words.. or maybe you thin MLK Jr was fucking stupid or a racist... hence when I use his work his stupidity is transferred to me.. if that is the case then I wear what you call stupidity with pride.

Quote:What I told you was that a number of Black atheists moved on from BLM (I didn't state the reasons, as they vary; just that they moved on) and that the Black atheists in the spaces that I frequent are primarily focused lawful protest and getting out the vote...Not any of the dumb shit you're talking about. You seem to be bothered by those two things and quite anxious to deem them as un-American, despite the fact that they are both are critical for a functional democracy. 

I understand that.. so then show me an organized group, show me leadership show me black people can unite under a banner of something greater than the individual besides the church and hatred towards white people.. Or do you not understand the point I am making? We have black people united under God... but in ever other instance I see black people united under a want or need to segregate themselves from white america. You say atheistic black are well adapted to one country one set of rules one people.. so show me the organization that supports these ideas.

My point is that no such organization exists because not enough people support unification in america in the black community outside the church... If I am wrong show me a social organization as large as blm that supports one morality one set of law, that seeks to defend white people from the idea of white privilege or the idea whites owe black anything.

Quote:Lol...If such is the case, wouldn't being opposed to citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights and their right to VOTE mean that YOU'RE the one who's actually being un-American? Let's face it; You are basing a LOT of your thoughts and questions on an authoritarian/theocratic fantasy version of America that only exists in your mind. You're a very confused man.

The Constitution is what demands a set of rules to govern all people equally, Drich. Not the church, or your Bible.

moving the goal post sport.. why do you think I keep using the term white and black morality? why do you think I have not mentioned law unless speaking of it from a different aspect? You can not deny black people do not feel the same necessity to obey 'laws as white people do.
if you think I'm wrong then you do not know or understand 'black'/American history very well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kWeccWkpnE

Quote:Well, you were the one who was talking about what Hell would be unleashed on the this great nation if big, scary, Negro bucks start roaming with streets without belief in your magical god, AND you alluded to the amount of ammo you have stashed away in the event that such a nightmare should occur.
Seemed like a reasonable conclusion, lol.

What would happen is we would be a divided country. we would be weaken by infighting and back biting if black 'bucks' lived by thier own rules while everyone else had to live by the constitution.

One share common morality one share common goal for the country is what MLK jr and I both say the church is the only current black organisation currently seeking to unify this country.

Show me another group, show me a country black run black lead that anyone here would be proud to call home, who would feel comfortable living with their family, black or white... Put your money where you mouth is and answer my challenge! Show me a nation, a state, a city (detroit) show me a social movement that does not involve the church, that is a shinning example of stability prosperity human rights! Even show me an ideological group who is not currently calling for racial segregation or reparations or some sort of hate towards whites.. SHOW ME SOMETHING Tangible Something equal or greater than the groups calling for white people to give up their homes or threaten more riots! and I will conceed.

Again Dr. MLK jr MO for black america not mine. Why does his call to unity shame and anger you so much? Do you not even understand/know your own history? I embraced his teachings because I am bi-racial and truly felt and reality did not belong anywhere. S his teaching for the oppertuity to be one nation one people appealed to me because I never felt I belonged to either race that make me up. But unity is not what you want.. you want to scare whites with "black bucks." Which is why someone seeking a path of unity offends you so much.

Get over yourself and your idea of black bucks. I went to a 75%black high school, and outside of the retard kid, with in a very 'small' margin of error we are all built the same. The acceptance of porn and the removal of PE and communal showers in high school created your myth. I actually feel sorry for the average black guy as he has soo much to live up to that he is bound to be a disappointment.. In fact I found the more 'bucky' the more aggressive the buck, the further he falls short. Real bucks.. Real bulls don't have anything to prove to a buck.

Quote:I am not arguing a "right/left position" I am speaking from the middle. I am speaking the same stuff MLK jr ask for demanded and himself taught! What floors me is "you people"/people who read this and do not understand Do not recognise the work words and efforts of MLK jr. That you see hate and bigotry in a man you pretend to praise. Which only goes to show how far from quality, people like you have strayed from. Meaning I was shown MLKjr position on the church and america. more specifically it's role in black america and how it is used to define and refine a people would would otherwise be lost to themselves and to soceity. MLKjr used the church as an example of the division in this country and how this country would be healed if it heeded the lesson of the same jesus we worshiped. I started out telling I came from a more than 1/2 black church and can tell you what a glimpse of mlkJr dream was about. Having seen this, and having seen modern black lead social groups outside the church in action
I can promise none of what MLKjr wanted will come from what these organized groups want for themselves.

Quote:Hold on...



Ahem...Pardon me. 
I have to do this every time some racist Bible-thumper tries to guilt Black people into "piping down" by bringing up MLK.

again moron.. the man... Dr. King was a minister.. are you saying he would not extoll the values of the church and call on the whites and black alike who serve the same God, who are saved by the same Jesus Christ, who will forever share the same heaven, or the same hell, and NOT use the commonalities found in the church the laws, of the church the demand of God as a matter of our salvation to love one another, inorder to bring us together?!?!?

Are you stupid or something?

This is the point I am making King without a doubt represents America under God striving for common unity. No other group is seeking to do that NOT affiliated with the church.

If you think otherwise if you think black people can live better off without God.. then all you have to do is provide one just one example.

Quote:First of all, WHY should I accept your ridiculous assertion that Black American atheists will stop behaving as Americans, LOSE their morality, and inexplicably began taking on the identities of Blacks from various and random Black nations from around the globe to start with? Especially when I consider the fact that I know plenty of Black atheists and they ALL act like AMERICANS? 

Show me an organized group. one or two examples is not a national movement. You yourself has been disqualified by your own words when you advocated black men wandering the streets governed by a separate set of rules. Setting up a secondary culture governed by a seperate set of rules is not a constitutional act. The fact that we abolished jim crow laws is a perfect example of that. yet you want the pendulum to swing the other way and allow black men to have freedoms other races will not share.

Quote:And given that, why would I play Drich's little game of "Name me a Black community that everyone, including me, a blatant racist, would would want to live in"? 

here's the thing sport.. it is not a matter of want to or not.. You can't. as in such a community or social group does not exist, so even if you wanted to play you could not come up with one name.. Meaning like what we have to say or not, we are indeed right despite you thinking you can remain objective despite the rest o the black community demanding whatever blm wants at the moment in reparations to equal the playing field of white privilege.

Quote:I know of many wonderfully nice middle-class/upper-middle class Black communities, and could also post links and videos of some of the most affluent Black communities in US, but you'll just dream up some bullshit reason to redfine or reframe your request in an effort to  tell me NONE of them count, because they don't fit your assumptions. 

As a whole meaning most do fit my assumptions they are apart of america, and not all cashing in the subculture that most black people surround themselves in. Meaning these people in nice communities have bought in they have been assimilated into America. they like all other well to do people work with in the system. no way around it. they bought into the shared american dream. I never said black people could not do this, I'm saying outside the church, this is not taught on any real mass scale. The subculture is the primary goto for most groups and communities.

Quote:And you'll dismiss any country I provide as being poor and/or substandard in comparison to one of the richest nations in the world, all while REFUSING to examine the role that Western imperialism and colonialism played in HOW they got to be that way, and then you'll deem ALL of their citizens to be pieces of shit who are the creators of their own failure, even if they're from well-developing nations with emerging economies.

That did not stop dubi. war torn all around, abject poverty literally the bronze age surrounds this country, and it boast the most modern city in the world. Toyko was obliterated just a couple generations back and it rivals the best of the best. How much time does it take for a people to get their collective shit together? how many failures before it is the fault of the people and not the region? Not to mention all of the 'white colonies' that were there and established the modern infrastructure and just up and left 30/40 years ago. they made that region work/productive. So show me a shinning example of a black nation/state or city without God.
besides money...
I've done my research and would say the who human trafficking which seems to be enough for me to stay home.. while a larger man, and am slightly loosing my hair, I am quite good looking.

Quote:I get it, Drich. You don't like Black people and you can't stand the thought of live around a lot of them.
I'll be sure to inform the Hive that we're not to rent too many lots near your RV/camper, okay? No need for these hijinks.

I've spent 1/3 of my life living in poor communities right along side black people, I have spent 1/4 working in the inner cities preaching teaching doing food drives and putting on summer camps when other feared and ran I went and work in 'no go zones after dark' My best friend and best man at my wedding is black and his father (dr. of theology) taught me how to study and research the bible. Not only that I do not HAte anyone.

I simply share Dr.Kings thoughts on the matter, and that is without God we as a nation are lost.

(which my friends dad shared with me)

I need to find a cool gif of some guy whipping out his own dick, and then stomping the living shit out of it. Anybody got something like that?

(October 10, 2018 at 1:30 pm)Drich Wrote: I've done my research and would say the who human trafficking which seems to be enough for me to stay home.. while a larger man, and am slightly loosing my hair, I am quite good looking. 

 

Thank you, Drich. That is hands down the funniest thing I am likely to read all day.



Oh, wait . . . you're being serious?

Quote:I have spent 1/4 working in the inner cities preaching teaching doing food drives and putting on summer camps

Oh, great.  Dripshit was annoying the locals.  Is there any time in your fucking life when you haven't been annoying, dripshit?

(October 10, 2018 at 2:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Quote:Is there any time in your fucking life when you haven't been annoying, dripshit?

Yes, somewhere between *grunt* and 'Did you actually not pull out, you moron?!?'

(October 10, 2018 at 2:28 pm)Crossless2.0 Wrote:

(October 10, 2018 at 1:30 pm)Drich Wrote: I've done my research and would say the who human trafficking which seems to be enough for me to stay home.. while a larger man, and am slightly loosing my hair, I am quite good looking. 

 

Thank you, Drich. That is hands down the funniest thing I am likely to read all day.



Oh, wait . . . you're being serious?

It was a joke, my wife often tells me I do not have to ever worry about being trafficked as a sex slave, when the subject comes up.. Then I point out the chick who delivers pizza has a winkie winkie thing with me, and my wife says that's because she has a lazy eye. I say tomato toe-moto agree to disagree. either way I'm not moving to some african country.

(October 11, 2018 at 10:31 am)Drich Wrote: It was a joke, my wife often tells me I do not have to ever worry about being trafficked as a sex slave, when the subject comes up.. Then I point out the chick who delivers pizza has a winkie winkie thing with me, and my wife says that's because she has a lazy eye. I say tomato toe-moto agree to disagree. either way I'm not moving to some african country.

I take my ego boosts when and where I can. Even if the delivery lady does have a lazy eye, I say continue thinking she's really flirting.